2,500+ Years of War

[Sainhann]

Well in my current King game Washington DoW me sometime back in the BC's and we stayed this way until 1800 AD when he finally just asked for Peace instead of the standard.

Give me all your money
Give me all your stuff
Give me Open Borders
Oh and give me this city

Yes he was bigger than me in both cities and army.

But he only kill 2-3 of my units while I destroyed over 30 of his. His last attack force was helped by Cathy of Russia since she made it so that I could not move against Washington.

So I had to back off until I finally destroy it. He then made peace and good old Cathy turn around and backstabbed me with her own DoW. This lead to anther 137 Year War where I destroyed even more units than Washington's.

Oh she made offers of peace.

Give me all your money
Give me all your stuff
Give me Open Borders
Oh and give your two other cities

So I have spent most of the game in War first with Washington and then Cathy. They have also been in several other wars but those do not last long at all.

So right now Cathy is streamrolling Washington and Alex has brought most of the City States. I figure that once Cathy gets done with Washington she will DoW me again and I will go back to killing her wave of units.

Plus in all of this I have been fighting to keep my small three city empire happy and everyone else has 30-52.

Oh and I once again got screwed with only having a two iron deposit, no horses, no aluminum, two deposits of oil both being on the water.

I even had to sell one of my carriers because of the money that I was losing after that Nuke that Cathy sent me.

Due to the wars I had to build more of an army but could not build one that included an attack force due to the happiness issues.

So I figure that this game will be won by Alex or Cathy since Washington is now toast and I do not think that anyone likes anyone else.

I might have done better if Washington would have gave me peace after I destroyed his 4th wave of units. But he was able to build more cities and attack me while at the same time be a war with others.

Oh and have a happiness in the 30's while I was sitting at 5 or less.

 

[strhopper]

Sounds like a fun game, to bad a loss is at the end but I would continue to play for the fun of it

 

[PoweredBySoy]

I'll just take this time to comment that this latest patch has pretty much ruined the game for me. The AI has gone war-crazy, and diplomacy be damned. Friendly, Hostile, good relations or no, if the civ is your neighbor you can expect war - and lots of it.

Who were they trying to cater to with this patch?

 

[Polycrates]

I'll just take this time to comment that this latest patch has pretty much ruined the game for me. The AI has gone war-crazy, and diplomacy be damned. Friendly, Hostile, good relations or no, if the civ is your neighbor you can expect war - and lots of it.

Who were they trying to cater to with this patch?

Build some units and, this is the critical bit, park them visibly near your border.
The AI takes into account your military strength, but it really takes into account military strength between them and your cities. I've gone two whole epic-length games with only a couple of early attacks, even with guarded guys on my borders, just by displaying my military might prominently.
Contrarywise, in a game where I had a spread out empire and a fairly strong military, I was being constantly attacked by two friendly AIs because my armies were spread thin and constantly moving away from each opponent to deal with the other one.

The point is that the AI will attack you if you show weakness, so if you want actual friends, don't paint a target on yourself. It's the whole "you can get more with a kind word and a gun than just a kind word" thing.

 

[Sainhann]

But it should learn that if you are killing every single unit that they send your way that just maybe they should get the hint.

I must have destroyed something like 60+ Russian units over those 137 years.

I knew that when she sent those first initial group of units down onto my southern border that she was more than likely to DoW me.

But seeing her move those units down there I had to pull back my Southern force back inside my borders.

Then she DoW me and well none of her units got to see the motherland again.

She did push on the northern border which after the first wave I had to build a series of forts up there.

I do not mind the wars but I would like the other countries to not give Peace Terms that are totally unrealistic.

Because there is no way I would ever give them one of my cities to them.

 

[ywhtptgtfo]

Well in my current King game Washington DoW me sometime back in the BC's and we stayed this way until 1800 AD when he finally just asked for Peace instead of the standard.

Give me all your money
Give me all your stuff
Give me Open Borders
Oh and give me this city

Yes he was bigger than me in both cities and army.

But he only kill 2-3 of my units while I destroyed over 30 of his. His last attack force was helped by Cathy of Russia since she made it so that I could not move against Washington.

So I had to back off until I finally destroy it. He then made peace and good old Cathy turn around and backstabbed me with her own DoW. This lead to anther 137 Year War where I destroyed even more units than Washington's.

Oh she made offers of peace.

Give me all your money
Give me all your stuff
Give me Open Borders
Oh and give your two other cities

So I have spent most of the game in War first with Washington and then Cathy. They have also been in several other wars but those do not last long at all.

So right now Cathy is streamrolling Washington and Alex has brought most of the City States. I figure that once Cathy gets done with Washington she will DoW me again and I will go back to killing her wave of units.

Plus in all of this I have been fighting to keep my small three city empire happy and everyone else has 30-52.

Oh and I once again got screwed with only having a two iron deposit, no horses, no aluminum, two deposits of oil both being on the water.

I even had to sell one of my carriers because of the money that I was losing after that Nuke that Cathy sent me.

Due to the wars I had to build more of an army but could not build one that included an attack force due to the happiness issues.

So I figure that this game will be won by Alex or Cathy since Washington is now toast and I do not think that anyone likes anyone else.

I might have done better if Washington would have gave me peace after I destroyed his 4th wave of units. But he was able to build more cities and attack me while at the same time be a war with others.

Oh and have a happiness in the 30's while I was sitting at 5 or less.

Not sure about you, but King difficulty has been pretty easy for me (especially in island maps). I'd say it's very easy to fall behind with just 3 cities. If you have happiness issues, then you should try to hunt down cities with luxuries and build luxury buildings. If gold's an issue, then build some trading posts.

In general, I'd advise having many cities with ~ 10 population than having 3 cities with 20+ population. With circuses, stone works, temples, theatres, and etc, every essentially has around 5-10 "unhappiness-free" citizens. Once you go beyond that, then each citizen is a drag on your global happiness count (but of course, don't go crazy with settling cities since there's also a small penalty for setting).

If gold is running short, you should either work trading posts or run specialists (always build banks and markets when possible).

Don't unit spam. Even in a large map at king difficulty, you can easily defend your empire an destroy enemies with < 10 troops. For land wars, you only need 3-5 range units and 2 melee units. For naval battles, you need ~6 caravels/frigates and 2 melee units.

Don't spam roads or you'd get poor quickly, but do use them to connect cities.

Unless you are going cultural, you should always plan to go to war against someone. Usually, you should aim to at least grab the enemy capital and important cities (i.e. good tiles, lots of sea foods, rare luxuries, oil/iron/horses, etc). After the war, simply raze all the useless cities or gift them to weak civs (ideally your earlier victims).

 

[Babri]

I'll just take this time to comment that this latest patch has pretty much ruined the game for me. The AI has gone war-crazy, and diplomacy be damned. Friendly, Hostile, good relations or no, if the civ is your neighbor you can expect war - and lots of it.

Who were they trying to cater to with this patch?

If you plan to play with 3-4 cities, you should build a lot of military to compete with your neighbours. Free Speech & Autocracy would help. If the real world was like ciV then whole world would be fighting wars. India would have conquered Bangladesh & Nepal, China would be attacking Korea.

 

[Bob_]

Alone the fact that there are wars of 2500 years of length.. I dont like it. This is simply too unrealistic. In CIV one would get war-weariness which would naturally end the war after a couple of turns.

There must be a mechanism that ends wars - must not even be war-weariness

 

[Callonia]

Yeah it get so ridiculous.

Caesar, demands my four cities that he can't even touch even with tanks and cavalry and artillery rolling over my landsknechts and longswordmen and knights and crossbowmen.

But by the end of each attack, every single tank is burning and a smoking wreck.

His attack got crushed, and he still demands my cities that he can't even touch. So after getting the ultimatium every single time i show him a videotape of my men dancing on silly metal dragons that spew hot metal death on my soldiers slain by my brave knights.

And told him no way at all, i have defeated your military forces, you have failed, why would we surrender our cities to you.

He demands my cities. I roll my eyes, and wait 1.5k years of repelling his attacks continously until i finally got GDR and air force and started to push and took everysingle city of his. Caesar, don't trust him ever, he's a gigantic douchebag that demands everything you own even when you have crushed him utterly, there should be repercussions for that.

Industrial-Modern era troops defeated utterly by medieval troops.

 

[Babri]

Industrial-Modern era troops defeated utterly by medieval troops.

You reminded me of Afghan War against British,Russia & now US.

 

[jtb1127]

Yeah, its too bad you had to lose in the end. You should keep going though.

 

[Thormodr]

You reminded me of Afghan War against British,Russia & now US.

Except that in real life, you have to worry about weather, terrain (in a much more meaningful way), supply, war weariness, etc.

You don't really have that in Civilization 5.

 

[globalempire]

I'll just take this time to comment that this latest patch has pretty much ruined the game for me. The AI has gone war-crazy, and diplomacy be damned. Friendly, Hostile, good relations or no, if the civ is your neighbor you can expect war - and lots of it.

Who were they trying to cater to with this patch?

I must say though that if you are not building a military expect to get attacked. Do nto ever try to devlop your cities without also focusing on your military.

Your cities will be rich and will look great to plunder especially if you have no army.

 

[Sainhann]

Yeah, its too bad you had to lose in the end. You should keep going though.

I did finish the game and as expected Alex won by having the most City States votes after he built the UN.

I did not have a money issue until right after Cathy Nuke my one of my cities.

But they can easy be able to build huge armies and at the same time have money and happiness.

 

[Simplicity4]

Agreed that the AI needs to take these suicidal wars into account. I'm currently playing a OCC game on King. Just one warrior and the Tradition track (+100 ranged to garrisoned cities is USEFUL). Japan started off with a warrior rush, and quickly surrounded the city, but those warriors got creamed. Then Japan gets stuck. He can see that I have only one unit and only one city.
So, peace can only occur if I'm willing to give up EVERYTHING. Ummmm. No. Okay then says Japan... Face my two remaining warriors! I can see that you are weak! Blam Blam. Peace?? Give me everything! No. Then face my warrior, since you are so weak! Blam. It's kind of clear what cycle the AI is getting stuck in.

Don't get me wrong. The AI is still much better than it was, but it doesn't handle the weak looking player with a tactical advantage situation very well.

 

[bryanw1995]

Don't get discouraged, the very early DOW is extremely common now but it is possible to get out of it. Often it is a huge adavantage for the human b/c you can build up your army after surviving the initial rush, then take a few enemy cities, sue for peace and take all his money. You can often end up farther along in tech/cities/infrastructure after the war is over than you would have been with no war at all.

 

[Sainhann]

Don't get discouraged, the very early DOW is extremely common now but it is possible to get out of it. Often it is a huge adavantage for the human b/c you can build up your army after surviving the initial rush, then take a few enemy cities, sue for peace and take all his money. You can often end up farther along in tech/cities/infrastructure after the war is over than you would have been with no war at all.

Oh I was not discouraged since I only lost a few units and killed far more.

It was that in order to build the army that I needed I would need more than two Iron. Plus a few horse could come in handy.

When the war first started Washington closes city was around 20 hexs away and through some rough country. I did send out what army I did have at the time but by the time I got to his borders and move one of my units forward it was then able to see what I was facing.

Seeing that there was no way that I was going to win if I am attacking against fast moving units that could out flank me I pulled back.

Then for a while it was quiet because Washington took some time to go crush Sully and when he came back down there was my friend Cathy forces moving as well. They were getting in the way of my troops and I just knew that she was up to no good.

So I had to pull all the way back to my own borders. Destroyed Washington units and he finally just wants Peace for Peace.

At which time Cathy showed her true colors. I then sent the next 137 years killing Russians, alot of Russians.

So from now on my first set of Policies will be Honor.

If they want only war I will give them war.