[Vote] (5-55) Change Incan Terrace Farm Name

[pineappledan]

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VP Congress: Session 5, Proposal 55

Proposal:
Change the Incan Terrace Farm's name to Andén Pata-pata

Rationale:
Terrace farms are found around the world, independently invented in countless cultures, but the Andean civilization developed an exceptionally sophisticated method for constructing and using terrace farms. Incan terrace farms are so distinctive that they have their own word in common English parlance: Andenes, (s. Anden), the Quechua name for them is Pata-pata

Andén - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

It would be cooler if we used a more specific and appropriate name for this improvement.
It's also shorter, and more immediately distinguishable from the regular Farm improvement. It could enhance clarity in-game and make discussions in the community more productive if the two improvements' names were easier to discriminate.

 

[Stalker0]

@Recursive @Hinin @axatin thoughts on fast tracking this one? Seems a super simple change and generally we have been open to using more historical names for things when it was appropriate. I also do like that it removes the confusion between a T farm and a regular one. This seems a gimme to me.

 

[Recursive]

@Stalker0 I wouldn't want to set a precedent that name changes are always fast-tracked. Otherwise I don't care.

 

[axatin]

Does it have to be a Spanish word? Quechua Wikipedia says the native name is Pata-pata

 

[pineappledan]

Sounds good. An endonym is preferable in my books. I couldn't find one though, so I suggested Anden. Either one is better than 'Terrace Farm'

edit: updated proposal to the Quechua word

 

[CppMaster]

@Stalker0 I wouldn't want to set a precedent that name changes are always fast-tracked. Otherwise I don't care.

True, lets just vote, why not. It's not that obvious. I'm in favor BTW, for the native name.

 

[Recursive]

@Stalker0 I wouldn't want to set a precedent that name changes are always fast-tracked. Otherwise I don't care.

To elaborate: A name change isn't necessarily "purely an improvement to the game" which is the standard I set for fast-track approval. The fact that an alternate name has just been proposed and someone else is in favor indicates to me that there is a reasonable objection.

As a result I don't think this should be fast-tracked.

 

[CppMaster]

Btw, shouldn't then we change all unique components names to native? Like "Stajnia Książęca" instead of "Ducal Stable".

 

[pineappledan]

I think it can still be on a case-by-case basis.

In many cases, Firaxis' determination to pick only the most anglicized appellation of a component even struck my anglo-ass as weird and off-putting.
The designers for BNW did an about-face and used a lot more endonyms than the vanilla designer, but we are still left with weird stuff like "Floating Garden" rather than "Chinampa"

 

[azum4roll]

Unless we can get a definite source that Pata-pata is the actual endonym, let's stick to Andén.

Google Translate won't give a consistent translation of the word, so I'm kinda doubtful of the correctness. It's also a mountain's name in Peru.

 

[pineappledan]

A second source from the internet corroborating the use of pata-pata to mean terraces:

Los andenes o pata pata: una solución ancestral para nuestro problemas de hoy

Compartimos la entrevista que efectuó la revista Agronoticias al ingeniero Luis Mason Meiss, estudioso de la andenería en el Perú, una milenaria construcción agrícola que debemos restaurar con prioridad, para frenar la dramática erosión de los suelos altoandinos, retener y aprovechar mejor el...

www.servindi.org

“Pata” in Quechua means a levelled place, usually used as a suffix to denote an area with some sort of boundary or rim. Anything from a town square to stairs to a terrace can be termed a pata. Examples of this usage are seen in several place names around modern Cusco:

The Quechua streets of Cusco, a little-known didactic heritage - Pasión Andina

Choquechaka, Tandapata, Atoqsaykuchi, Teqsecocha, .... here are some of the many names you may have read on the street signs in Cusco during your last stay in the ancient capital of the Inca Empire. "Funny", "Exotic" or "Unpronounceable", these names in Quechua may seem complicated, but in...

pasionandina.com

So pata-pata directly translated into English means something like “levelled-levelled place”.

 

[pineappledan]

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