casey j says:
how is that
jb1964 says:
hello ladies
Whomp says:
hi JB
Whomp says:
nice fight yesterday
Whomp says:
sign of a champion
casey j says:
heh
jb1964 says:
did I know that was coming or what
jb1964 says:
hahah
casey j says:
i think zambrano would win
jb1964 says:
he did
Whomp says:
zambrano's a big dude
casey j says:
vs. the whole team
Whomp says:
busted up his lip pretty good
Whomp says:
always helps when your pitcher is fighting his catcher too
Simon says:
so we not in the other one anymore?
Whomp says:
no
jb1964 says:
So, where are we on putting together a tech deal and inking some long term mutual affection pact?
Whomp says:
brb
Simon says:
what game are we talking about now?
casey j says:
the civ 3 one
casey j says:
we are kind of schizo
jb1964 says:
Whomper and I were talking baseball but I'm switching gears to Civ
Simon says:
your gong right?
jb1964 says:
Yes, former KISS and now Gong
Rob says:
i'm here... finally
Simon says:
how come you lot are so technologically ******ed?
Rob says:
casey brought up an 80 turn deal if i remember correctly
Rob says:
earlier that is
jb1964 says:
We've been isolated and still have huts to pop
jb1964 says:
And we did focus on the beer pyramid
jb1964 says:
life's good
Rob says:
lol
Rob says:
we were jelous so we are building one out of hot babes
jb1964 says:
Please let it fall on me
Rob says:
maybe we can work out a swap at some stage?
jb1964 says:
Ow, the wife just whacked me
Simon says:
brb food
Whomp says:
holly was on a mission today too
Whomp says:
and here i have diplo to discuss
casey j says:
heh technologically ******ed
Whomp says:
she just left to take her national boards
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casey j says:
how are you guys going to start your golden age
Whomp says:
not sure
Whomp says:
what wonders other than hanging gardens? I forget
Whomp says:
we have the commercial one
casey j says:
HG is the only one for agricultural
Whomp says:
hmm
Whomp says:
so maths
Whomp says:
you need maths
Whomp says:
how quickly do you need to pop the huts?
Whomp says:
is it imminent?
casey j says:
within 10 turns probably I would guess
jb1964 says:
We're running outta AA and would like to get whatever's valuable to both of us
Whomp says:
ok here's the dilemma
Whomp says:
if we trade with saber for maths it accelerates a scientific
casey j says:
yeah
casey j says:
what do they want for it
Whomp says:
they want hbr and myst
Whomp says:
which leaves 30 beakers
Whomp says:
they want to give 14 g
jb1964 says:
minor detail
Whomp says:
right but do we want to advance them to the MA's?
jb1964 says:
I would rather you not
Whomp says:
not sure about that since we know what happened with the two scientifics last game
Rob says:
but there is another issue tied to all this
Whomp says:
Council and Free
Rob says:
who have traded with each other extensively
casey j says:
what are their tech situations
Whomp says:
attached at the hip it seems
jb1964 says:
OK, we form the other aliance and leave Sabre in the dark ages
Whomp says:
ok so if we research maths you'll be fine to wait on your huts?
casey j says:
we can research math while you are in anarchy
Whomp says:
that would alleviate a huge problem
jb1964 says:
WE're only here to help
Whomp says:
we know what cham can do so there's no reason to help him
jb1964 says:
*choke*
Whomp says:
they're not going to look to kindly on us but what can they do LOL!!!
casey j says:
brb, what are the other two's tech situations
Rob says:
well they have managed to get to MA
Whomp says:
Whomp says:
unreal
jb1964 says:
Then they have been swapping big time
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Whomp says:
poor jb
Rob says:
he'll never know the answer lol
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Whomp says:
here you go jb
jb1964 says:
thanks
Whomp says:
that was a big thud jb
jb1964 says:
I go down hard
Whomp says:
like michael barrett or AJ
jb1964 says:
OK, the others are in the MA
Rob says:
afraid so
jb1964 says:
Whomp says:
we assume free
Rob says:
can't be anyone else
Whomp says:
we should know for sure very soon
jb1964 says:
Neither of us are interested in cranking up Council
Whomp says:
nor free
Whomp says:
nor saber for that matter
jb1964 says:
OK, we research Math
Rob says:
the only thing i wish to crank up the council is 50 MW's
jb1964 says:
haha
jb1964 says:
sill laughing
jb1964 says:
Well, toss in some GS's and we might survive
Rob says:
well donsig is a strong motivating factor for me
jb1964 says:
OK, techs and peace
Rob says:
80 turns
jb1964 says:
Sure
Simon says:
back
casey j says:
im back
casey j says:
had contact lens problems
Rob says:
lol so you didn't read our response yet
jb1964 says:
oh, one moment
Rob says:
i'm waiting for the thud
Whomp says:
jb1964 says:
Ya lost me guys
Whomp says:
MA's
Rob says:
casey was away for that part
casey j says:
im caught up
Whomp says:
eek
casey j says:
so free and saber are in the MA, with at least 2 techs probably
Whomp says:
no council
Whomp says:
free
Whomp says:
all the more reason not to trade with saber
casey j says:
do they have government techs? ok council and free (kuningas right?)
Whomp says:
yep
Simon says:
yeah
Whomp says:
republics
Rob says:
but they are still in despot right now
Whomp says:
anarchy maybe or haven't revolted iirc
Whomp says:
they wouldn't go feud i'd think
Rob says:
coucil hadn't yet
Whomp says:
ok
jb1964 says:
So you're in anarchy then
Whomp says:
we are
jb1964 says:
Ihave never used feud
casey j says:
well we can certainly deny council their golden age
Rob says:
another 4 or 5 turns to go
Whomp says:
night.mare!
Simon says:
i used fued onece
Simon says:
*once- wanted to see if it did anything it didnt say on the tin
Whomp says:
twice here per variant
Simon says:
it didnt...
casey j says:
you can build a massive army quick in feudie
Whomp says:
brutal unless you're going for culture or small ics
Whomp says:
small size cities
Whomp says:
WW was brutal with the pop rushing on culture
Whomp says:
so there it is
casey j says:
do you guys have any plans to build the colossus to deny korea their golden age?
jb1964 says:
So Council would need collossus for their GA
Whomp says:
i see
Whomp says:
I'd presume 80 peace is a done deal
Whomp says:
so now it's teching
jb1964 says:
yep
casey j says:
well to keep the other two in place we could build the HG (no GA for free) and Colossus (no GA for Korea)
jb1964 says:
We should move each other down the line, pop the huts, share the techs and find a way to make up any disparity
Whomp says:
yep
Whomp says:
so we need to cross our fingers...i think it's 40%?
casey j says:
i think you guys are going to have to build the gardens for a GA, not to try to sell you a quasi useless tech but i dont see how else you are going to do it
casey j says:
if you are going to attack someone to initiate the GA, the earliest i figure is with pikes protection but you have no iron. no iron=no rails so IA is out. the only thing left is with salpeter, which each of us might or might not have
casey j says:
and then the others could have salt and render MWs kind of harmless
casey j says:
we would rather give it to you for free than have sumeria who is in the MAs get a GA
casey j says:
and increase their lead
Whomp says:
yeah....man that's expensive
Whomp says:
makes me wonder whether we should hit one of them with our MWs
Whomp says:
huge risk
Whomp says:
but versus building a wonder...
jb1964 says:
Yes it is
Whomp says:
they can't hit us back though
jb1964 says:
Have you figured out that the waters are only safe for you?
Whomp says:
so is it worthwhile to use 30 shields to kick it off or build HG
Rob says:
not completely just for us
casey j says:
well it depends, are they weak to you? with a golden age you could build a bazillion MWs and ships to carry them. its a tough question.
jb1964 says:
There are passages, but then you can see someone coming down that road and be ready for it.
Rob says:
anyone can cross the waters but it would be part suicide
Rob says:
and they would lose some boats
Rob says:
around 50% i think
jb1964 says:
That's what I mean, nobody is going to put a loaded ship in suicide waters
Whomp says:
the question is whether they'd continue war for the rest of the game
Rob says:
well if we start one we would have to plan on finishing it too
jb1964 says:
Well, if you want the HG's then we have Monarchy and a promise not to build it.
Simon says:
what does HG do?
Simon says:
other than give us a ga?
Whomp says:
3 content
Whomp says:
on the island
jb1964 says:
It gives you your GA, and some happy feet
Simon says:
oh well thats useless, id prefer to just whack some council
casey j says:
3 content in the city that builds it, 1 content in all other cities
Whomp says:
ok
Whomp says:
i thought it was each city
jb1964 says:
it's 10% on the happy gas slider
jb1964 says:
no, only 1 per city
jb1964 says:
Bach's is 2
Whomp says:
300 shields
casey j says:
well a ship invasion has the advantage of dealing more hurt to them. it will be a lot of ship building though, and how are you going to cover your landing?
Whomp says:
we'd have to have spears or swords
casey j says:
i thought you had no iron
jb1964 says:
Iron
Rob says:
that would also depend on if they were expecting us
Whomp says:
remember they don't have map knowledge of us
Whomp says:
in fact i don't think anyone does
Rob says:
or my devious mind
Whomp says:
HG expires at steam
casey j says:
no one has iron?
Simon says:
saber do
Rob says:
yep
Whomp says:
can't remember if council does
jb1964 says:
OK, you don't want Monarchy to be part of the tech swap?
Whomp says:
i'm leaning no
casey j says:
this is like my pbem with wacken, what to do on an island map
Whomp says:
if we did we'd be inclined to wait towards unis
Whomp says:
he had a great plan Casy
Whomp says:
Casey
Whomp says:
i should dig it up
jb1964 says:
Wait towards Unis?
Whomp says:
it was in your forum right?
Whomp says:
to build HG
Whomp says:
at least the 300 shields aren't a back breaker as we develop
jb1964 says:
Universal Suferage?
Whomp says:
and then can focus on doing it for building unis
Whomp says:
do you follow?
jb1964 says:
Actually, no
jb1964 says:
sorry
jb1964 says:
Acronyms are thowing me off
Whomp says:
universities
Whomp says:
300 shields in the MA is not nearly as painful as AAs
jb1964 says:
OK, what about them
Whomp says:
so kicking off a GA in the MA's wouldn't be so brutal
jb1964 says:
I understand
Whomp says:
so the question is if council has to research monarchy then build it is it worth it?
casey j says:
sorry i was away for a sec
casey j says:
yeah he had a good plan, with iro too
casey j says:
free you mean
casey j says:
council needs colossus
Whomp says:
gotcha
Whomp says:
ok
Whomp says:
so free then
casey j says:
free needs HG, and MOM, or GL
Whomp says:
h'wachas will be near impossible to kick off a GA
Simon says:
pity you got MOM huh?
Whomp says:
so free may have to derail the tech pace
jb1964 says:
MoM rocks!
Whomp says:
tough call but i sense we're focused on a farmer's gambit still
Whomp says:
another wonder is 10 MWs
Rob says:
i like that wonder
casey j says:
indeed. but you need ships to send them, which will be 300 shields
casey j says:
but are more useful long term
casey j says:
its a dilemma
Whomp says:
it is
casey j says:
plus unit support for all your units
Whomp says:
while trying to farmer at the same time
Simon says:
why do we need 300 shields for ships?
Whomp says:
300 for HG
Simon says:
casey j says:
indeed. but you need ships to send them, which will be 300 shields
Whomp says:
5 MWs and 5 galleys
Whomp says:
= 300
Rob says:
how much shieds is one ship
casey j says:
30 shields
Whomp says:
30
Simon says:
i think the amount we have already saved on not having to suicide all our ships is already quite good
Rob says:
well 2 MW fit on one ship
casey j says:
yeah
casey j says:
i was thinking 10 galleys, 20 units
Whomp says:
i'd think
Simon says:
i dunno
Rob says:
ok i'm with you
Simon says:
kiss attacked with like 8
Whomp says:
it was in the MA's too
Simon says:
still scared the . .. .. .. . outa us
casey j says:
but it took them a while, and they were at war
Rob says:
nuts hit tnt with 4
Rob says:
took out there capital too
Whomp says:
there's no chance to retaliate though
Simon says:
after kiss did the hard part
Rob says:
no the war before kiss
Rob says:
when i ran donsig in circle
Whomp says:
that war was silly
Simon says:
that wasnt our capital....
Whomp says:
it was on your terms
Rob says:
it was orginally
Whomp says:
this wouldn't be on anyone but our terms
Simon says:
yeah but then through our genius we palace jumped
Rob says:
until provo moved it lol
Whomp says:
well...we should see what the smart guys think about building HG
Rob says:
did like the sea breeze at night lol
Rob says:
*didn't
Simon says:
makes so much more sense now
Rob says:
jb1964 says:
OK, we can get you Math while you're in Anarchy
jb1964 says:
We'll get CoL, MM, Wheel and HBR
jb1964 says:
Pop the huts
jb1964 says:
and see what techs we can send your way
casey j says:
are free or Council weak to you?
Whomp says:
we don't know on free
jb1964 says:
You're down to zero huts now, correct
Whomp says:
i think we are or 1 left
jb1964 says:
I thought you poppoed your last w/ poly
jb1964 says:
but no matter
Rob says:
Council is average to us atm
jb1964 says:
if you have one then kewl
Whomp says:
i can't remember
Whomp says:
let me look
Rob says:
i think that popped a couple of turns ago didn't it
Whomp says:
poly was last turn iirc and it looks like the last one
Rob says:
yes thats it
jb1964 says:
OK, we have two..
Rob says:
no problems
Rob says:
does that wrap it all up or is there something else to discuss
Whomp says:
i think we're good
jb1964 says:
Who writes up the deal?
Whomp says:
i have no creativity
casey j says:
what is the deal
casey j says:
80 turn peace, help in wars?
jb1964 says:
80 peace
Whomp says:
wars?
Whomp says:
how?
Simon says:
just how would you help?
jb1964 says:
techs, and compensation
Rob says:
just who would attack you
jb1964 says:
at this point I don't know that wec an
Rob says:
i think we established only we could and we are giving you 80 turns of peace
jb1964 says:
I'll wriet up a deal for the peace, techs and compensation
Whomp says:
'Cane where was WOA's spoiler?
jb1964 says:
Casey, are we ready to pop huts now or in short order?
casey j says:
hold on let me ask him
casey j says:
grahamiams forum
Simon says:
is wacken going to wacken this year?
Simon says:
some of my mates are going
Whomp says:
got it
Whomp says:
graham's
jb1964 says:
Hey i need to run out in short order...
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Rob says:
ok guys i'm off to bed
jb1964 says:
I'll send a deal your way for the techs and peas
Arjen says:
oh hi everyone
casey j says:
theres wacken
Rob says:
have a good night or day
Arjen says:
im wacken
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Whomp says:
where'd everone go?
Simon says:
hello?
Whomp says:
hi
casey j says:
i dunno mass exodus
Whomp says:
casey invited Wacken and he's gone now
Simon says:
caseys there
Whomp says:
i see him
casey j says:
yeah but i have to run
casey j says:
see ya guys
Simon says:
cyas later
Simon says:
oh poo me too
Simon says:
dr who is on now!
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