GOP about to pass secret health care bill while they think no one’s paying attention

[FriendlyFire]

YES WE CAN, ram this up the deplorables rear-end good and hard
Enjoy

Seriously at least this new GOP plan is workable as it elminates the pre-exisiting conditions along with the mandate and government subsidies. Essentially pushing back to Obamacare, Red states are going to find out that their Healthcare is collapsing because of the aging population and all the young people leaving for the more properous states for jobs.

GOP about to pass secret health care bill while they think no one’s paying attention

And that’s why they’re on the verge of ramming through a new Senate bill that, according to Louisiana’s Bill Cassidy, one of the authors, reportedly has the support of 48 or 49 senators already.

One of those senators? Arizona’s John McCain. After he cast his surprise “no” vote in July, Donald Trump — and other conservatives — railed against him for what they considered the decisive single vote that killed their repeal efforts.

The so-called Cassidy-Graham bill is, like all the other Republican attempts at repeal, a disaster. Except that this is particularly extreme, despite the bills’s sponsors disingenuously insisting it’s a “compromise.” It would eliminate Medicaid expansion entirely, as well as insurance subsidies, both of which have expanded health care access to millions of Americans who could not otherwise afford it.

That’s not all. Under this new plan, insurance companies would be allowed to discriminate against pre-existing conditions — something Obamacare prohibits. Because while Republicans don’t think Americans have a right to health care, they believe insurance companies have a right to gouge sick people.

https://shareblue.com/gop-about-to-...ll-while-they-think-no-ones-paying-attention/

 

[Cutlass]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...sidy-graham-explainer/?utm_term=.769399cb1d31


This new plan is actually the most evil of all the proposals to date. Basically it's destroying both Obamacare and Medicaid by the time proven method of getting the federal government out of it, on the theory that it has always been easier to kill and oppress Americans at the level of state government.

 

[El_Machinae]

There's so much I like about the 'block grant to cover pre-existing conditions and catastrophic outcomes'. It has so much potential. That sentence, done properly, could really help rejigger the American healthcare system into something much more feasible. And yet they just keep screwing it up. Remove those two things, and the majority of insurance plans then morph into benefits plans, and the actual market economy knows what to do there.

It's just the first step in single payer. Well, the second step, since people have the Medicare subsidy on their health insurance already.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Silly Liberals. Health Care is a privilege for those with righteous wealth, not a right. Every time a non-wealthy person receives health care, baby Jesus cries.

 

[onejayhawk]

Silly Liberals. Health Care is a privilege for those with righteous wealth, not a right. Every time a non-wealthy person receives health care, baby Jesus cries.

That's silly. The liberals are wealthy--Jobs (RIP), Gates, Zuckerberg. You must mean someone else.

J

 

[Cutlass]

The problem with block grants in American politics is that it is license for state and local governments to use the money in ways that don't serve the purpose that the federal taxpayers authorized for it to be used. Usually defeating the intended purpose.

 

[El_Machinae]

Yeah, I know your side of it. It's the standard debate of being a Republic. Again, remember, Canada basically does just that. Our Constitution mandates that provinces have authority over healthcare. But the Fed disperse income tax funds ear-marked with certain minimum standards for how it's spent.

 

[Traitorfish]

That's silly. The liberals are wealthy--Jobs (RIP), Gates, Zuckerberg. You must mean someone else.

J

Three rich centrists, one of whom is dead.

C'mon, at least pretend to try.

 

[Zelig]

Three rich centrists, one of whom is dead.

You're not wrong, but I'd contend that liberalism is the centrist default ideology of western society.

 

[metalhead]

Three rich centrists, one of whom is dead.

C'mon, at least pretend to try.

Keep in mind, he tried to argue against the profitability of NFL teams by citing to an article that estimated the Green Bay Packers profited $50 million or so in one year. I don't think he understands how arguing and facts even work.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

You're not wrong, but I'd contend that liberalism is the centrist default ideology of western society.

Maybe on average. In America they pass for leftists, in Germany the party that calls itself liberal is more than a bit to the right of conservatives on everything but civil rights.

 

[Cutlass]

Yeah, I know your side of it. It's the standard debate of being a Republic. Again, remember, Canada basically does just that. Our Constitution mandates that provinces have authority over healthcare. But the Fed disperse income tax funds ear-marked with certain minimum standards for how it's spent.

The political environment differs more than the constitutional structure does. In theory it should work with a more dispersed federal structure. In practice the people who run the states have too many different, and hostile, agendas to allow them that latitude.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Well, I guess that is one way of cheap healthcare, bring back caps and allow medical companies to increase cost once you are sick.
This is Iam guessing how things worked before Obamacare, kinda weird that the richest country in the world healthcare system is so screwed up

let insurers jack up premiums as soon as you get sick

currently the Affordable Care Act forbids insurers from discriminating against sick patients by denying them coverage or charging them higher premiums. Graham-Cassidy, however, wouldn’t simply allow waivers of Obamacare’s protections for people with preexisting conditions. It would also permit insurers to charge higher premiums to people who are currently insured through the Obamacare exchanges as a condition of “continued enrollment.”

In essence, an insurer could take someone’s money for years while that individual is healthy. Then, on the day that that person is diagnosed with cancer, jack up their premiums so high that they are no longer affordable. Healthy people would have insurance until the moment they need it, at which point their premiums could become prohibitively expensive.

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/70orbo/trumpcares_back_and_now_it_will_let_insurers_jack/

 

[Hrothbern]

Are states free to raise taxes in such a way they can have a state health care like Canada on national level ?
It should be cheaper.

If so and it would happen:
Would too many people move out ?
Would young people go to social darwinism states and move to health care states once chronical ill or old ?

 

[Cutlass]

Are states free to raise taxes in such a way they can have a state health care like Canada on national level ?
It should be cheaper.

If so and it would happen:
Would too many people move out ?
Would young people go to social darwinism states and move to health care states once chronical ill or old ?

Only thing stopping the states is politics. Politics is more racist at the state level. But there's also the problem that states have more fiscal constraints, specifically in economic recessions. So when the economy gets bad, and more people qualify for the government programs, the states have to cut them for budget reasons.

 

[Hrothbern]

But there's also the problem that states have more fiscal constraints, specifically in economic recessions

That sounds to me like that the federal state, although pumping down a lot of (responsibility of) governance to the states, curtails the governing by the the states when it is going to cost much money: in effect securing as federal state that there is a cap to the amount of tax that can be raised by the states, protecting the tax-payer, and by that mechanism capping the economic power of the governments of the states (other than attracting business since the industrial revolution).
It is, I think, in line with the states-federal balance as intended by the founding fathers, but that was a completely other time based on farmers and some natural resources, not an urban complex society.

Another question.
Is education, not only governed, but also paid by the states ?

 

[Gori the Grey]

It's extra evil, too, because they've got some mechanism to inequitably redistribute the block grant monies from blue states to red states, and a mechanism that let's them jigger the red-state money as needed to buy the votes of particular Republicans who might be opposed.

 

[schlaufuchs]

Are states free to raise taxes in such a way they can have a state health care like Canada on national level ?
It should be cheaper.

If so and it would happen:
Would too many people move out ?
Would young people go to social darwinism states and move to health care states once chronical ill or old ?

That's essentially what California has been trying to do, as well as one of the reasons why Obamacare has been so successful in that state.

 

[warpus]

I see America is being made great again.

 

[Lexicus]

I don't think he understands how arguing and facts even work.

He understands perfectly well, it's just that, like Trump, his strategy is to distract from the brazenness of his lies by lying more and more brazenly over and over.

Maybe on average. In America they pass for leftists, in Germany the party that calls itself liberal is more than a bit to the right of conservatives on everything but civil rights.

Not the same sense of "liberal" as Zelig meant, I don't think.