Humiliation for Wall Street as US Gov't announces mother of all bailouts

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So, basically, all those bad debts that US banks were holding on their balance sheets are now going to be written off and transfered to the US government's balance sheet.

US pledges financial rescue plan

US Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson
US officials are working on a plan to help rid US banks of their bad debts in order to tackle the devastating global financial crisis.

After a meeting with Congress members late on Thursday, US Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said new laws were needed to deal with the "root" of the problem.

It comes after a series of seismic shocks in the world's financial system.

The news boosted European and Asian shares. On Thursday, US shares added 3.9% after the plan was leaked.

In London, an announcement by the UK's City watchdog the Financial Services Authority to temporarily ban short-selling in certain financial companies added to the dramatic change in sentiment.

Short-selling occurs when a trader borrows shares from another to sell them, then buy them back at a lower price thereby profiting from the difference.

Market moves

The UK's FTSE 100 index of largest shares added more than 6% with banking stocks among the biggest gainers. Halifax owner HBOS, which was forced into the arms of rival Lloyds TSB after a run on its shares this week, surged more than 30%.

France's Cac 40 and Germany's Dax indexes joined in the rally, up 5.6% and 3.7% in morning trade.

Japan's Nikkei jumped 3.8%, while the Shanghai Composite recovered from 22-month lows to close up 9.5% and Hong Kong's Hang Seng soared 7.3%.

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US stocks had surged on Thursday because of reports of the rescue plan, with the Dow Jones Industrial Average ending 3.9% up at 11,019.69.

Crisis in confidence

The proposed US government rescue plan comes at the end of a week of almost unprecedented turmoil on world financial markets amid a crisis of confidence in banks:

US Wall Street giants Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs are the latest to have their shares punished by nervous investors amid concerns for their financial health
Central banks around the world have pumped billions of dollars of extra funding into money markets to ease the liquidity crisis
The UK's City watchdog announced a crackdown on short-selling - thought to be a big contributor to the share price falls in UK banks in recent days.
The US financial regulator the Securities and Exchange Commission followed suit on Friday, banning short-selling in the stock of 799 financial companies until 2 October
Stock markets in Russia re-opened on Friday after wild swings in share prices forced trading in its main exchanges to be suspended and resumed several times in the week.
'Best of the US'

Mr Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke are expected to spend the weekend hammering out a plan to free the banks of their mortgage-backed assets.

With property prices continuing to plummet and borrowers defaulting on their loans , these investments are seen by the Treasury Secretary as being at the heart of the global financial crisis.

There will be serious long-term damage to the ability of the US to export its way of doing business to the rest of the world.

Robert Peston,
BBC Business Editor


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"We talked about a comprehensive approach that will require legislation to deal with illiquid assets on financial institutions' balance sheets," he said.

In an upbeat press conference, the congressional leaders and financial regulators were keen to stress they had agreed to work together for the good of the country.

"I think we saw the best of the United States of America in the Speaker's office tonight," Mr Paulson said.

"This country is able to come together and do things quickly when it needs to be done for the good of the American people."

Mixed reaction

Some analysts welcomed the news.

"It's a relief, it allows for an orderly workout for the impaired assets and it will help the banking sector get back to business," said Hans Kunnen of Colonial First State Fund Managers in Australia.

But BBC Business Editor Robert Peston said that the taxpayer funded bail-out "represents a massive humiliation for Wall Street" and will severely dent the ability of the US to export its way of doing business to the rest of the world.

But an even bigger risk could be a loss of confidence in the American government's balance sheet, he said.

"This could ultimately undermine the dollar, push up inflation even more and raise the cost of servicing debt for the US authorities," our correspondent explained.

Central bank action

There is speculation that one plan being discussed involves legislation that would force lenders to renegotiate mortgages that homeowners are having difficulty paying.


Markets have been jittery amid huge upheavals in the banking sector

Another possibility is establishing a government agency that would take on the debt.

Reports said Mr Paulson was looking into setting up something akin to the Resolution Trust Corp (RTC), which was formed after savings and loans banks collapsed in the 1980s.

The RTC took over most of the smaller banks in the US at a cost of $400bn - about $1 trillion (£550bn) in today's money - and then tried to sell off their assets.

The cost of such a bailout would probably be higher this time, with bad mortgage debt believed to be around $2 trillion.

But Congressman Barney Frank, chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, said the plan would probably not involve creating a new government agency.

"There is this concern that if you had to wait to set up an entity, it could take too long."

Six of the world's top central banks took steps to calm worried stock markets on Thursday, releasing $180bn to lift the amount of credit available.

On Friday, the Bank of Japan said it had injected a further three trillion yen ($28bn; £15.5bn) into money markets, to add to the eight trillion yen it had already made available this week.

Incidentally, this is pretty much what Japan did earlier this decade, and it worked there. The government even made a profit.

Scary stuff eh?
 
I know that the answer seems obvious to those in the know, but can anyone tell me why we can't let these businesses go out of business?
It seems stupid that we let them make huge amounts of money when everything's going well, and yet when they stand to lose we have to pay their debts for them.
 
I know that the answer seems obvious to those in the know, but can anyone tell me why we can't let these businesses go out of business?
They hold a massive amount of people's financial accounts, if they went out of business many people would be screwed over.
 
I know that the answer seems obvious to those in the know, but can anyone tell me why we can't let these businesses go out of business?
It seems stupid that we let them make huge amounts of money when everything's going well, and yet when they stand to lose we have to pay their debts for them.

The short answer is that they're so big that their downfall would "shock" the system in really harmful ways. Yeah, I don't like it much either, but we were, and maybe still are, close to or were in a modern day bank run
 
I could deduce the 'shock the system in harmful ways' part. I was rather hoping for some clarity in what exactly those ways might be, so that I could judge for myself the harm.

As for personal financial accounts, they're guaranteed by the Bank of England, so bailing out the companies is not designed to save individuals, because they're already guaranteed in the case of a collapse.
 
I know that the answer seems obvious to those in the know, but can anyone tell me why we can't let these businesses go out of business?
It seems stupid that we let them make huge amounts of money when everything's going well, and yet when they stand to lose we have to pay their debts for them.

Because what is likely to happen is a "liquidity crisis", which is the situation you get when there are no financial institutions willing to make loans. When that happens, the economy shuts down. Every business is dependent on credit being available. They loose that, and fundamentally sound businesses collapse. AIG is reported to be a basically sound business, buy they collapsed in just a couple of days. That can happen to any large company if there are no loans available quickly.
 
How is this "humiliation?" It seems more like "victory" to me. They made this bubble, during which presumably some people became stupidly rich, and then when it popped, the government stepped in to keep the other people from becoming poor.

Why not just do this again?

Cleo
 
More info: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7625727.stm

Spoiler :
Paulson confirms bank rescue plan

New laws will soon to be passed to free US banks from loans they cannot sell
US Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson has confirmed that the government will introduce a plan to remove bad debt from US banks' balance sheets.

He said such a "bold" move was necessary so credit could flow to companies and consumers and restore the health of the financial system.

The details will be thrashed out with members of Congress over the weekend.

Once this difficult period is over, he said the government's next task would be to overhaul bank regulations.

Mr Paulson said that the programme must be "large enough to have maximum impact" and will involve "a significant investment of taxpayer dollars".

But he warned that it will be far less costly to American families than the alternative scenario.

The alternative he describes in an apocalyptic message as "a continuing series of financial institutions and frozen credit markets unable to fund economic expansion".

He said the government would work with Congress to pass laws in the next week.

In the meantime, he said that the government would be stepping up action to increase the availability of capital for new home loans.

I wonder how exactly the bad debt will be transfered, and how much from each bank?
 
I wonder will private companies begin bailing out customers who have gone broke now that customers have started bailing out private companies who have gone broke?
 
I guess now is the best time ever for the big 3 to press their case too!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/17/business/17auto.html?scp=3&sq=GM&st=cse

G.M. and Ford Officials Seeking U.S. Loans to Meet Fuel Goal

DETROIT — Executives from General Motors and the Ford Motor Company pressed their case on Tuesday for $25 billion in federal loans in a series of high-level meetings with lawmakers in Washington.

Who's going to say no to that, so close to the presidential election and in so big a crisis!

And of course one of the logical consequence...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/18/business/worldbusiness/18rescue.html?em

PARIS — Is the United States no longer the global beacon of unfettered, free-market capitalism?

and lulz:
In France, where the government has long supported the creation of “national champions” and worked actively to protect select companies from the threat of foreign takeover, politicians were quick to point out the paradox of what is essentially the nationalization of the largest American insurance company.

“Today the actions of American policy makers illustrate the need for economic patriotism,” said Bernard Carayon, a lawmaker of President Nicolas Sarkozy’s center-right governing party, UMP. “I congratulate them.”

For the “evangelists of the market, this is a painful lesson,” he added.

National economies are entering “an era where we have much more regulation and where the public and the private sector will mix much more.”
 
painful lesson? humiliating? how so? This just goes to show that no matter how bad you screw up, the worse you screw up the more likely you are not to face an adverse consequence. Wall Street won.
 
painful lesson? humiliating? how so? This just goes to show that no matter how bad you screw up, the worse you screw up the more likely you are not to face an adverse consequence. Wall Street won.

I totally agree with that. Wall Street does not care about free market or communism, as long at it makes money. And if the government actually decide to socialize the losses, it's like the best thing ever!
 
Anything but a bank run IMO.
 
No, I'm sure the American people are more than willing to take on the billions in debt that these private corporations accumulated.

I've addressed this already.

No, very simply.

Private corporations [messed] up and went billions into debt.

The Federal Government has now taken that debt and put it on the American people.

It is like your neighborhood department going into too much debt, about to close and declare bankruptcy, and the Mayor of your town coming in and saying, don't worry, I'll just shift that debt onto the people of this town.

And the nation rejoices!


I hope this stupid [fudging] economy comes crashing down on all of them. All of these CEOs and boards of directors should be shot! I am so sick of this government bailing out these big corporations every time they screw up and putting the burden on us. I don't get a federal bail-out if I screw up. This is total [cow poop].
 
YAy for inflation!! I thought $4 a gallon was too low a price to pay for gas. Now, I can pay $5 or $6 soon, and be happy that the bankers driving their new BMW's are doing the same.
 
I'm pretty sure this also means that the American people has lost the right to brag about "free market" for at least 20 years, and 40 if you're a Republican ;)
 
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