Is it wrong to discriminate against sex workers?

[Flying Pig]

If you stand to make money out of the project, I believe the owner of the 'set' has a right to some share in the profits or a payment, so there's probably an issue there.

 

[rugbyLEAGUEfan]

So I'm assuming many of you would consider it fine if the girl got all her friends to hire rooms aswell and turn the hotel into a pseudo brothel?

 

[IdiotsOpposite]

So I'm assuming many of you would consider it fine if the girl got all her friends to hire rooms aswell and turn the hotel into a pseudo brothel?

I don't know if I'd call it "fine", but it's most certainly legal and the owner can't stop her from doing it.

 

[Arwon]

No, it isn't morally wrong to kick whores out of hotels if the owners don't want the hassle of dealing with the type of clientele whores bring with them or the rep of being "that kind" of hotel.

What kind, a motel in a mining town?

 

[AlpsStranger]

That part certain shows how far this present world has sunk.

Uh, the world didn't start in 1950. The world is pretty "low," by the standards I suspect you're alluding to, in most times and places.

Don't let the chastity bubble confuse you. It wasn't the norm.

 

[DinoDoc]

What kind, a motel in a mining town?

The kind that charge by the hour.

 

[Arwon]

But they don't....?

 

[Lord Gay]

I'm not so sure that those who agree with this would be as willing to enforce it if placed in the position where they had to.

The owners being sweet little people may modify HOW you enforce the law, but being adorable doesn't excuse you from the law. Would YOU be fine Rugby if that sweet couple didn't want blacks, women, liberals, yankees, furryners, or whatever?

Did you read the B&B thread a while back?

I don't think someone having sex with a prostitute is fundamentally different from them having sex with a random woman from a bar.

The real moral crusade you'd want to have is banning prostitution in the first place. That's your issue I think.

Exactly.

At no time did the hotel staff object, or even really notice.

Just because nobody objected, doesn't mean it's legal. Sometimes people break the rules so often (and you may be paid so little) that you just can't be bothered anymore to reprimand somebody for the bajillionth time.

My understanding anyway is that taking pics requires permission if you plan to use them for money. The same applies for films. You can't just start shooting whereever you like. You need permission from private property owners, and state permits for public property.

I remember a story of a film crew who found a stunning, pristine beach in Mexico they wanted to use. They set everything up and were about to shoot when police arrived and asked for their permits. They hadn't gotten them, so they had to go to city hall and buy them. However, even though they were approved with lightning speed, when they went to the beach the very next day, it was gone. It had been washed away in a freak storm.

I want to see your sci-fi convention costume, as I'm sure many others do as well.

It's not like I was dressed as Princess Leia, guys - I was pretty well covered up, as I prefer to wear medieval-style outfits or D&D-style mage outfits (not the kind that shows a ridiculous amount of cleavage). Just imagine various-colored long dresses, gold, silver, or copper jewelry, lots of embroidered accessories (I made my own hats and other hair accessories and pearl-embroidered shoes), leather and/or velvet pouches, and Larry Elmore-type magic-user accessories such as feathers, bells, etc. (however, I never used bat guano or skulls as part of my costume - that's taking it a bit too far!). I also had various-colored cloaks to coordinate with my costumes.

A lot of my fantasy stuff also doubled for my SCA costumes (minus the strictly D&D elements, since I had neither the talent to make my own historically-correct outfits or the $$$ to pay someone else to do it.

This is... very strange. What a queer feeling. What on earth's come over me? I think I... I think I actually want to see pix of a woman on the internet. OMG. OMMFG!!! I think I might be straight!!! Quick, quick, I need to reassert my homosexuality! Think of my gym coach. Not enough. Think of that guy in sales. Still not enough. No, mustfightit... urge to watch monster trucking grow...

*clickety click click*

Ahhhhh porn. Is there nothing you can't solve?

Spoiler :

No bat guano huh? So you couldn't cast fireball?

quite frankly it probably wasn't healthy to be consorting with the type of girls who would be game for that in the first place!

So it's unhealthy to be with guys who sleep around also? Meaning all of them?

That part certain shows how far this present world has sunk.

Not sunk, Hero. Differed. American Christianity seems to have a very prudish attitude towards sex IMO. Some in the world look at the US's views on sex and shake their heads at our immaturity and squeamishness.

even though prostitution most certainly isn't 'the oldest profession' as often claimed,

What do you consider to be the oldest profession? Thief?

 

[Valka D'Ur]

At no time did the hotel staff object, or even really notice.

Just because nobody objected, doesn't mean it's legal. Sometimes people break the rules so often (and you may be paid so little) that you just can't be bothered anymore to reprimand somebody for the bajillionth time.

My understanding anyway is that taking pics requires permission if you plan to use them for money. The same applies for films. You can't just start shooting whereever you like. You need permission from private property owners, and state permits for public property.

The pictures I took were strictly of my roommates, in our room. The pictures taken of me were taken in the hallways on floors designated for our convention (the mezzanine where the Bacchanal, dance, and panels were held), and the area where room parties were allowed. I was always asked for my permission before they took their pictures - not because anyone was worried about what the hotel staff thought, but just out of ordinary courtesy. None of these photos were for commercial gain. People enjoy having photos of interesting costumes, either as souvenirs of a convention, or for inspiration for their own future costuming ideas.

The only things the hotel cared about us doing wrong was making too much noise, violating fire regulations by having too many people in one room (at the dance or room parties), smoking in smoke-free areas, and carrying open alcohol containers in public areas. The convention itself had a very strict rule against carrying weapons, and anybody wanting to have one as part of their hall costume had to prove it was a fake or so thoroughly strapped down/sealed, that it couldn't be used as a weapon. Anybody wanting to use a weapon as part of their Bacchanal entry had to have prior written permission from the Concom. The only other rule I recall was no peanut butter costumes (yes, there is a valid reason for that).

Spoiler :

No bat guano huh? So you couldn't cast fireball?

Spoiler :

Nope. I had access to sand, though, so I could cast Sleep.

 

[Lord Gay]

Rose petals work too.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Rose petals work too.

I know, but forgot to pack any. Fortunately they have sand in Calgary, too.

 

[Ajidica]

The only other rule I recall was no peanut butter costumes (yes, there is a valid reason for that).

You know, when you make a comment like that you have to elaborate on it.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

The story I heard was that about a year or two before I started going to SF conventions, somebody used peanut butter - and nothing else - as a costume. Then that person jumped into the hotel swimming pool, causing an awful mess to clean up.

Thereafter, the convention programs incorporated this into the costume guidelines, both for hall and Bacchanal costumes: Do not wear peanut butter.

 

[LucyDuke]

That part certain shows how far this present world has sunk.

Funny, I see it as how much progress we've made. And you wanna know the crazy part? I want people to live good lives!

Why do you continue participating in the present world?

 

[Arwon]

Also peanut allergies maybe.

 

[GoodGame]

Also peanut allergies maybe.

There you go, the hotels are protecting the other clients against peanut allergies.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Also peanut allergies maybe.

There you go, the hotels are protecting the other clients against peanut allergies.

The hotels don't care about peanuts. It wasn't even the hotel that forbade peanut butter costumes, since it would never occur to them that anybody would even think of doing such a ridiculous thing.

It was the convention organizers who forbade the peanut butter costumes. You need to understand something about the conventions I'm referring to - they're not put on by professional corporations that bring in actors and charge $$$ for autographs. They're run by unpaid fan volunteers - people who do have professional careers or are university students, for the most part - but still fans who are not out to make a profit over anyone's enjoyment. Most of the Guests are authors, artists, university professors who run panels on writing, science topics, and we had Phil Currie from the Royal Tyrrell Museum in Drumheller to do a full slate of presentations on dinosaurs and paleontology. The year that Shoemaker-Levy 9 crashed into Jupiter, there was a panel at the convention and anybody who wanted to watch it live could go and do so.

There's a convention coming up in Calgary starting tomorrow. I can't afford to go this year, but I've been looking over the list of panels and other activities; it's heavy on writing and artistry, as usual. And I'd daresay that peanut butter costumes are still forbidden, even 30 years later.

 

[Grisu]

What do you consider to be the oldest profession? Thief?

Hunter, maybe?

 

[Ailedhoo]

What do you consider to be the oldest profession? Thief?

What ever the case "politicians" came around the same time as prositution...

 

[GoodGame]

Well who knows what services will be rendered by the sex workers....it might involve peanut butter.