JAR03: Portugal, DG, Space Race
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tjs282
Stone \ Cold / Fish
Yeah, pretty muchThanks for the update. Sounds like the core has been transformed.
Here's the turnlog:
Spoiler 1100-1150 AD :
Spoiler 1160-1200 AD :
Here's where I think we should plant our next Forward Operations Bases/ potential Pop10-12 farms (hence the slightly wide spacing, to get more flat tiles in the BFC:
Spoiler Southwest front :
Spoiler Southeast front :
purple spot with an 'S' marks a town-site with a Settler already in place, white spots with an 'S' mark the current positions of Settlers (not on a Goto! ) with the arrow showing their intended destination, purple spots with a '?' mark sites for which a Settler does not yet exist (but IIRC there are several being built which could be rushed -- although it would probably be better to have a healthy Army and/or some Infs + Cannons to guard them as they move into hostile territory... 
And here's the save...
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So, 5 turns in, the Byzantines have been mostly kicked off the continent. They'll give us their last continental town for peace, but Germany surrounds it. However, Germany is willing to give us a town for peace, too. We have 3 cav armies, and the Germans have nationalism. War weariness is somewhat of a problem - the lux rate is at 50%. Flip risks in Byzantine towns are significant but not huge - Chalcedon, which I just took, is the highest at 3-6%, with 8 resistors.
I'm inclined to make peace with both of them and work on setting up our science farms and get back to researching quickly. Thoughts?
I'm inclined to make peace with both of them and work on setting up our science farms and get back to researching quickly. Thoughts?
tjs282
Stone \ Cold / Fish
Oh wow, that was fast work!
I thought it would take much longer to finish wiping the Byzzies (it would almost certainly have taken me much longer!
). But yeah, we've been fighting them for >40T now (the war started during @jarred!'s 700-800 AD set, IIRC?), so I agree it's definitely time to call it quits.But if signing a PT with Dora sorts most of the WW, would it be worth pushing on a little further against Germany? Yes, they have Rifles, but we have Arty (don't we...?). If we were to raze their bigger border-towns, that should also relieve the pressure on e.g. Chalcedon: Munich and Salzburg's Cultural impingement is probably responsible for a lot of that flip-risk...
I doubt if much of Chalcedon's flip risk is from Germany. If we make peace, I'll stuff it with units to quell resistance and then mostly pull out of it. If we stay at war with Germany, which we certainly can, we can't keep the Byzantine town that we'd get in a peace treaty, so I'd probably want to wait a couple of turns until we can attack Bremen before making peace with the Byzantines, or plan on abandoning the town.
Banks and stock exchanges are so we can build Wall Street.
I've made peace with the Byzantines, much of the resistance is quelled, and flip risks are not too high.
Germany is on the ropes, and jarred! should be able to kick them off the continent in the next turn set.
We are learning refining, due in 8 turns. This could doubtless be reduced by hiring some scientists.
The settler SE of New Luanda can settle in place or move 1 SE for ease of reaching Frankfurt.
Turn 0 – 1200 AD
Swap a citizen to a CE in Evora to get factory this turn. Scientists in Guarda, Goa, Krasnoyarsk, Bissau, Badajoz, Ourique, Ohrid, No This is Sparta to get Corp in 2 turns.
IBT: German Cav kills cav. Oporto factory > cav, Avis riots, Coimbra factory > cav, Evora factory > bank, Faro market > university, Ourique worker > worker
Turn 1, 1210
Build New Emerita. Rail. Upgrade some cannons and trebs, while we hold Adrianople. Kill pike and cavalry, get an MGL. Kill musket and longbow with army, taking Bryansk and some boats. Bomb some boats. Draft in Goa (disband to finish marketplace), Lisbon (fort, send vet infantry to cover wounded army), Sagres and Evora (send to front). At Nicaea: kill musket, retreat, kill musket, kill musket, kill pike, raze city – 5 workers.
IBT: Renew deal with Babylon, but with less money. German cavs advance. Learn Corp. Start Steel. Lisbon factory > Inf., No This is Sparta factory > cav, Novgorod worker > worker, Sagres frigate > settler, Leiria inf > bank, Braga factory > cav, Goa market > library, Ourique worker > worker.
Turn 2, 1220 AD
Build New Sagres. Bomb and kill German cavs, losing a cav and promoting a cav. Make new army, take Nicomedia, killing musket, pike, spear.
IBT: Germans attack New Oporto, losing a cav, then taking the town. Cav kills our cav, more cavs come around the south. Many towns finish cavs and start new ones. Mina and Ataleiros settler > settler.
Turn 3, 1230 AD
Kill redlined cav to retake New Oporto. Build New Coimbra. Build New Leiria. Kill pike to take Vidin.
IBT: Byzantine cav comes out of nowhere, takes a bunch of workers, retreats 1 and kills the rest. Germans move. Cities build units & start building more of the same.
Turn 4, 1240 AD
Build New Evora. Destroy ??, take 11 workers. Kill 3 muskets, take Sardica, lose 1 cav. Kill musket, take Amorium.
IBT: Landings, cav movement, pollution. Quell some resistance, unit builds continue.
Turn 5, 1250 AD
Kill 2 muskets, a pike, and a cav, take Chalcedon. Byzantine capital is now on the island. They will give us Ancyra for peace. Kill enkidu warrior. Kill invading longbow.
IBT: Cavs attack – 2 die, 1 retreats, 1 kills MDI. Athens market > cav, Lisbon cav > cav, Nazare courthouse > marketplace, Guim factory > cav, Emerita factory > cav, Sagres settler > factory, Leiria bank > stock exchange, Faro university > cav, Rio Janeiro cav > cav.
Turn 6, 1255
Kill 2 exposed cavs, get MGL. Send it to Sagres to rush the Pentagon. Kill rifle, two muskets, cav to raze Bremen, gaining 3 workers. Sink German frigate and caravel. Bomb Munich. Cavs kill 3 muskets, raze Munich gaining 10 workers. Build New Braga. Rush some settlers. Cav dies redlining cav on hill.
IBT: Germans lose 2 cavs killing an MDI. Oporto cav > cav, Sao Mamede cav > cav, Sagres pentagon > factory, Coimbra cav > bank, Braga bank > stock exchange, Bissau library > marketplace, Rhodes settler > settler, Badajoz settler > artillery, Diu settler > marketplace,
Turn 7, 1260 AD
Add cav to each army. Kill 3 muskets, 1 longbow, take Ancyra. Kill 2 muskets, raze Salzburg, gain 2 workers. Kill 2 muskets in the field, get an MGL. Send to Oporto to rush Military Academy. Build New Faro. Make peace with Byzantines. Raise science spending and drop lux rate.
IBT: Renegotiate spice deals with Ottomans (we get more gpt) and Babs (they give dyes, we give more gpt). Germans kill a cav. No This is Sparta cav > cav, Oporto Mil acad > bank, Yaroslav' settler > settler, Sao Paulo cav > cav, Emerita cav > cav, Cacela library > marketplace, Evora stock market > inf., Faro cav > cav, Rio Janeiro cav > cav, Luanda cav > cav, Castelo Branco marketplace > settler. Quell resistance.
Turn 8, 1265 AD
Build New Rio Janeiro, New Sao Paolo. Advance on some German towns.
IBT: Germans take Ancyra.
Smyrna worker > worker, Goa library > university, Krasnoyarsk courthouse > aquaduct, Laurenco Marques factory > marketplace, Ohrid worker > worker.
Turn 9, 1270 AD
Retake Ancyra. Raze Brandenburg, Nurenberg. Build Luanda. Kill a cav. Move on Leipzig and Hannover.
IBT: Lose a cav. Learn steel, start refining. Moscow settler > settler, St. Petes settler > settler, Emerita cav > cav, Leiria stock exchange > infantry, Evora inf > inf, Faro cav > cav, Rio Janeiro cav > cav, .
Turn 10, 1275 AD
Kill 2 rifles and a cav, raze Hannover, get 3 workers. Move.
I've made peace with the Byzantines, much of the resistance is quelled, and flip risks are not too high.
Germany is on the ropes, and jarred! should be able to kick them off the continent in the next turn set.
We are learning refining, due in 8 turns. This could doubtless be reduced by hiring some scientists.
The settler SE of New Luanda can settle in place or move 1 SE for ease of reaching Frankfurt.
Turn 0 – 1200 AD
Swap a citizen to a CE in Evora to get factory this turn. Scientists in Guarda, Goa, Krasnoyarsk, Bissau, Badajoz, Ourique, Ohrid, No This is Sparta to get Corp in 2 turns.
IBT: German Cav kills cav. Oporto factory > cav, Avis riots, Coimbra factory > cav, Evora factory > bank, Faro market > university, Ourique worker > worker
Turn 1, 1210
Build New Emerita. Rail. Upgrade some cannons and trebs, while we hold Adrianople. Kill pike and cavalry, get an MGL. Kill musket and longbow with army, taking Bryansk and some boats. Bomb some boats. Draft in Goa (disband to finish marketplace), Lisbon (fort, send vet infantry to cover wounded army), Sagres and Evora (send to front). At Nicaea: kill musket, retreat, kill musket, kill musket, kill pike, raze city – 5 workers.
IBT: Renew deal with Babylon, but with less money. German cavs advance. Learn Corp. Start Steel. Lisbon factory > Inf., No This is Sparta factory > cav, Novgorod worker > worker, Sagres frigate > settler, Leiria inf > bank, Braga factory > cav, Goa market > library, Ourique worker > worker.
Turn 2, 1220 AD
Build New Sagres. Bomb and kill German cavs, losing a cav and promoting a cav. Make new army, take Nicomedia, killing musket, pike, spear.
IBT: Germans attack New Oporto, losing a cav, then taking the town. Cav kills our cav, more cavs come around the south. Many towns finish cavs and start new ones. Mina and Ataleiros settler > settler.
Turn 3, 1230 AD
Kill redlined cav to retake New Oporto. Build New Coimbra. Build New Leiria. Kill pike to take Vidin.
IBT: Byzantine cav comes out of nowhere, takes a bunch of workers, retreats 1 and kills the rest. Germans move. Cities build units & start building more of the same.
Turn 4, 1240 AD
Build New Evora. Destroy ??, take 11 workers. Kill 3 muskets, take Sardica, lose 1 cav. Kill musket, take Amorium.
IBT: Landings, cav movement, pollution. Quell some resistance, unit builds continue.
Turn 5, 1250 AD
Kill 2 muskets, a pike, and a cav, take Chalcedon. Byzantine capital is now on the island. They will give us Ancyra for peace. Kill enkidu warrior. Kill invading longbow.
IBT: Cavs attack – 2 die, 1 retreats, 1 kills MDI. Athens market > cav, Lisbon cav > cav, Nazare courthouse > marketplace, Guim factory > cav, Emerita factory > cav, Sagres settler > factory, Leiria bank > stock exchange, Faro university > cav, Rio Janeiro cav > cav.
Turn 6, 1255
Kill 2 exposed cavs, get MGL. Send it to Sagres to rush the Pentagon. Kill rifle, two muskets, cav to raze Bremen, gaining 3 workers. Sink German frigate and caravel. Bomb Munich. Cavs kill 3 muskets, raze Munich gaining 10 workers. Build New Braga. Rush some settlers. Cav dies redlining cav on hill.
IBT: Germans lose 2 cavs killing an MDI. Oporto cav > cav, Sao Mamede cav > cav, Sagres pentagon > factory, Coimbra cav > bank, Braga bank > stock exchange, Bissau library > marketplace, Rhodes settler > settler, Badajoz settler > artillery, Diu settler > marketplace,
Turn 7, 1260 AD
Add cav to each army. Kill 3 muskets, 1 longbow, take Ancyra. Kill 2 muskets, raze Salzburg, gain 2 workers. Kill 2 muskets in the field, get an MGL. Send to Oporto to rush Military Academy. Build New Faro. Make peace with Byzantines. Raise science spending and drop lux rate.
IBT: Renegotiate spice deals with Ottomans (we get more gpt) and Babs (they give dyes, we give more gpt). Germans kill a cav. No This is Sparta cav > cav, Oporto Mil acad > bank, Yaroslav' settler > settler, Sao Paulo cav > cav, Emerita cav > cav, Cacela library > marketplace, Evora stock market > inf., Faro cav > cav, Rio Janeiro cav > cav, Luanda cav > cav, Castelo Branco marketplace > settler. Quell resistance.
Turn 8, 1265 AD
Build New Rio Janeiro, New Sao Paolo. Advance on some German towns.
IBT: Germans take Ancyra.
Smyrna worker > worker, Goa library > university, Krasnoyarsk courthouse > aquaduct, Laurenco Marques factory > marketplace, Ohrid worker > worker.Turn 9, 1270 AD
Retake Ancyra. Raze Brandenburg, Nurenberg. Build Luanda. Kill a cav. Move on Leipzig and Hannover.
IBT: Lose a cav. Learn steel, start refining. Moscow settler > settler, St. Petes settler > settler, Emerita cav > cav, Leiria stock exchange > infantry, Evora inf > inf, Faro cav > cav, Rio Janeiro cav > cav, .
Turn 10, 1275 AD
Kill 2 rifles and a cav, raze Hannover, get 3 workers. Move.
jarred!
King
Sorry guys, I'm really busy, I'll need a skip this time around.
tjs282
Stone \ Cold / Fish
If it's likely to be a week or more before you'll have time to play again, then to keep things moving, I'd be quite happy to play another set over the coming weekend (Operation: Sink the Bismarck!).
But if the wait's only likely to be a couple of days, then that would also be OK by me.
Or ... maybe we could invite a Lurker (if we still have any!) to play a set?
After all, this is your SG, so deciding the roster/schedule is really your call.
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Dwarven Zerker
Just one more turn Honey!
Yep! Youse guyses has lurkers. I wouldn't be able to jump in coz I don't have a copy I can play and even if I did my monarch to beginning emperor skills would set you back significantly. But I appreciate the comment!
P.S. Lurkers like pictures.
P.S. Lurkers like pictures.
If you were able to play, you would be welcome to. At this point in the game, it would be hard to accidentally set us back much in 10 turns even if you were a real beginner. However, monarch/beginning emperor in single-player games works just fine for playing DG succession games. You should fix your can't-play issues and join one.Yep! Youse guyses has lurkers. I wouldn't be able to jump in coz I don't have a copy I can play and even if I did my monarch to beginning emperor skills would set you back significantly. But I appreciate the comment!
P.S. Lurkers like pictures.
I'll see if I can upload some pictures later, if no-one else gets to it first.
tjs282
Stone \ Cold / Fish
Right, no word from @jarred!, so call this a gottit. For DZ's benefit, here's the worldmap at 1275 AD:
I think I should be able to finish the German war within the next 5-6T or so.
We have a nice big stack directly outside Leipzig, so it should fall next turn, opening up the road to Konigsberg, which I'll hit (and raze) on the same turn, assuming I still have sufficient Army + Cavalry HP available. With Leipzig ours, I might be able to move that Settler SE of New Luanda 1S, so it can use the Cow straight off the bat (also opens up another coastal CxC Hill-farm site between New Luanda and the Cow-town).
I'll then use additional forward-Settlement (need to rush some that are in progress, including in Novgorod, so we can finally get rid of it!), and get a rail-link in place to bring all the Arty far enough forward to bomb Berlin in 2-3 T. When it falls, Bismark will run to Frankfurt, but Cologne should become accessible, and from Cologne our Cavs can also reach Frankfurt in 1T. Hamburg should also be reachable (and raze-able!) from Berlin.
Stuttgart and Heidelberg can stay, though. Once Bismark's Palace is relocated to Bonn, I'll sign a PT with him, so WW will disappear and we can start quelling resistance, and cash-rushing Workers and farm-Settlers out of the captured German towns. Cavs being built in our core can finish, but if we don't need them to fight with, then they can be shield-disbanded into Courthouses and Markets, in the potential Pop12 farms.
Research-wise, Combustion has to be the next project, and then I'd like MassProd for CommDocks in the coastal core-towns: Lisbon, Guim, Sagres (and eventually Khabarovsk) for sure, maybe also Evora, Lagos, and SaoPaulo.
May also be worth trying to acquire Sani (traded -- or stolen -- from the Babs or Ottos) to put up Hospitals in 5 of those towns as well? (Not that we should need BattlefieldMed once we own our Continent, but it would give us another potential prebuild)
I think I should be able to finish the German war within the next 5-6T or so.
We have a nice big stack directly outside Leipzig, so it should fall next turn, opening up the road to Konigsberg, which I'll hit (and raze) on the same turn, assuming I still have sufficient Army + Cavalry HP available. With Leipzig ours, I might be able to move that Settler SE of New Luanda 1S, so it can use the Cow straight off the bat (also opens up another coastal CxC Hill-farm site between New Luanda and the Cow-town).
I'll then use additional forward-Settlement (need to rush some that are in progress, including in Novgorod, so we can finally get rid of it!), and get a rail-link in place to bring all the Arty far enough forward to bomb Berlin in 2-3 T. When it falls, Bismark will run to Frankfurt, but Cologne should become accessible, and from Cologne our Cavs can also reach Frankfurt in 1T. Hamburg should also be reachable (and raze-able!) from Berlin.
Stuttgart and Heidelberg can stay, though. Once Bismark's Palace is relocated to Bonn, I'll sign a PT with him, so WW will disappear and we can start quelling resistance, and cash-rushing Workers and farm-Settlers out of the captured German towns. Cavs being built in our core can finish, but if we don't need them to fight with, then they can be shield-disbanded into Courthouses and Markets, in the potential Pop12 farms.
Research-wise, Combustion has to be the next project, and then I'd like MassProd for CommDocks in the coastal core-towns: Lisbon, Guim, Sagres (and eventually Khabarovsk) for sure, maybe also Evora, Lagos, and SaoPaulo.
May also be worth trying to acquire Sani (traded -- or stolen -- from the Babs or Ottos) to put up Hospitals in 5 of those towns as well? (Not that we should need BattlefieldMed once we own our Continent, but it would give us another potential prebuild)
What happened? Maybe we could help, or at least point you to a potentially helpful thread...?
tjs282
Stone \ Cold / Fish
Mid-set spoiler: Peace at last, war is over...
Isn't this a beautiful sight? Portuguese purple, over almost our entire Continent -- and I'm still only 4 turns into my set, because I managed to take Berlin on Turn 1 after all. Settlers (and Workers) are now being built + rushed to fill in the gaps along our coasts, because there have already been a few speculative landings during my set (not counting the Summies sending the dregs of their military to invade us).
I trapped a Bab Settler-pair before they could found a town, but unfortunately the Ottos managed to sneak one in down in the southern Tundra. Ozzie is currently paying us nearly 230 GPT net on various deals, though, so I didn't/don't really want to DoW him (yet! Let's at least collect our due 3000-odd gold first!). I will Settle on the nearby Hills and Tundra regardless; you never know, maybe we'll even get it to flip (after we build Internet)!
Mind you, I'm not sure how well we'll be able to avoid back-flips in former Germany. OTOH, Bismark is down to his last town (Bonn, on the island), and his borders won't impinge on any of our conquests for a while yet. And he's also currently MA'd with Ozzie vs. Hammi, so I wouldn't bet much on his long-term survival...
Isn't this a beautiful sight? Portuguese purple, over almost our entire Continent -- and I'm still only 4 turns into my set, because I managed to take Berlin on Turn 1 after all. Settlers (and Workers) are now being built + rushed to fill in the gaps along our coasts, because there have already been a few speculative landings during my set (not counting the Summies sending the dregs of their military to invade us).
I trapped a Bab Settler-pair before they could found a town, but unfortunately the Ottos managed to sneak one in down in the southern Tundra. Ozzie is currently paying us nearly 230 GPT net on various deals, though, so I didn't/don't really want to DoW him (yet! Let's at least collect our due 3000-odd gold first!). I will Settle on the nearby Hills and Tundra regardless; you never know, maybe we'll even get it to flip (after we build Internet)!
Mind you, I'm not sure how well we'll be able to avoid back-flips in former Germany. OTOH, Bismark is down to his last town (Bonn, on the island), and his borders won't impinge on any of our conquests for a while yet. And he's also currently MA'd with Ozzie vs. Hammi, so I wouldn't bet much on his long-term survival...
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tjs282
Stone \ Cold / Fish
Quick update:
Now partway though Turn 10. I'm pretty sure there's still a fair bit of Settler- and Worker-shuffling to do, but there are (now) Worker-stacks doing various jobs all over the map, and Civ3's bad habit of yanking the map-view from one end of the continent to the other -- often mid-stack -- has been making it just a little difficult to keep track of who's doing what and where!
So I've kind of run out of the patience needed to finish off this evening. I'll try and get things wrapped up tomorrow, and upload the turnlog, handover and save, along with some dot- and CAII-derived chop-maps if they're wanted.
We should be on course for a reasonably good launch-date, though: even without the farmlands being fully developed, we are now down to 5T-research at SCI%=100%, with Combustion (and a substantial pile of TAX%-gold!) due this IBT...
Now partway though Turn 10. I'm pretty sure there's still a fair bit of Settler- and Worker-shuffling to do, but there are (now) Worker-stacks doing various jobs all over the map, and Civ3's bad habit of yanking the map-view from one end of the continent to the other -- often mid-stack -- has been making it just a little difficult to keep track of who's doing what and where!
So I've kind of run out of the patience needed to finish off this evening. I'll try and get things wrapped up tomorrow, and upload the turnlog, handover and save, along with some dot- and CAII-derived chop-maps if they're wanted.
We should be on course for a reasonably good launch-date, though: even without the farmlands being fully developed, we are now down to 5T-research at SCI%=100%, with Combustion (and a substantial pile of TAX%-gold!) due this IBT...
Dwarven Zerker
Just one more turn Honey!
Problem #1: lack of time. I live about 2 hours from work, currently and get sporadic game time on weekends. Definitely not something conducive to SG playing. Problem #2: The discs with my civ3 are Windoze and family has gone Mac since I played Civ3 last. Nothing I can't fix, but it circles back to problem #1; plus the kids are more growed up and life has changed. Games aren't as important anymore.
Thank you for asking. It's fun living vicariously through youse guyses.
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tjs282
Stone \ Cold / Fish
Aaaannd, I'm spent! 
Turnlog:
Handover:
We now own our Continent (apart from that nearly-inconsequential Ottoman splodge!), and are at peace with everyone who was giving us WW. We still have a semi-phony war going on with Industrial Sumeria, and a completely phony war with Ancient(!) Persia. Gilgamesh seems to have developed a fixation on Ohrid/ Praia: during this set he's dropped off 2 or 3 Caravel-loads of Ancient/Medieval units (which I immediately killed!). Not sure if that will continue, but that's why our Arty and a Cav-Army are stationed in the interchoke area. I also sank one Caravel, and the Frigs are floating there to guard the approach
We're tech-leader (Babs are 2nd, but we are siphoning Hammi's income), and once Combustion comes in on this IBT, we will be only 3 techs (~15T?) from the Modern Age -- lacking only MassProd (do this next, for CommDocks?), Flight, and MotorTrans. With the wars over, though, we don't really need the latter two urgently for anything, so it doesn't really matter which order we do them (cheaper first?).
Guimares is slowly building UniSuff as a prebuild for either CommDocks (would probably waste a lot of shields, though), or we could keep it going to grab the UN after we get Fission (nothing worse than losing to a UN-vote!). I've built Hospitals only in Lisbon and Sparta so far, with Sagres in progress, but SaoPaulo could also use one once its factory is finished, as can Argos: then e.g. Emerita could get started on BattlefieldMed as a prebuild for SETI.
For want of something better to do in our other fully infra'd core-towns, I have been building Cavs + Infs. We are nowhere near exceeding our free-unit allowance, and our Factory-towns are throwing out 40-55 SPT, so there seemed little point in drafting units (which I generally prefer to use only as an emergency measure anyway). Also, right now we have 'only' 5 Luxes available (the Babs' Dyes got pillaged, and the Summies appear to own all the Gems and Ivory), so it seemed better not to make our core-towns more unhappy than 'necessary'.
New vInfs have been sent to guard coastal towns: the northern part of the Continent is now almost completely surrounded by a Thin Purple Line, with the few Infs down south mostly left over from our victorious German campaign. I have used some vCavs for shield-disbands (and vInfs could be used like this as well), but we currently have a few Bab Infs on our turf (no RoP), and those Ancient Otto units are still in Greece (now nearly surrounded!), so it seemed sensible to keep some units where we could hit them quickly if they sneak-attacked us.
The nearer towns in former Greece and Russia which don't already have Factories could build those if we wanted them (I don't think we really need them though), and even the more distant towns look like they'll only be around 50% corrupt after a Courthouse, so can usefully build a [Courthouse,] [Duct,] Lib, Market and Uni (but nothing else?) and run at Pop12 with all citizens working tiles. Once past the interchoke area though, I'd minimise infra: I've been putting up Courts + Markets in the watered towns (to keep the Pop6-12 Geeks happy even if we lose another Lux), Walls in the Pop1-6 coastal towns (because why not?!), and Harbours where our citz can Go Fish to feed their Geeks (Stuttgart and Colina de Salitre could use a Lib, then a Harbour, and work 3 Fish).
Worker-shuffling has become a royal pain, though; might be better to just start consolidating the stacks and fully improving (plant, chop, irrigate, rail) all the tiles for 1-2 farms at a time. Here are some chop-maps, if you want them:
Multiple Settlers will be built this IBT, and a couple of Pop1 towns are due to be Settler-abandoned. Trashing Nicomedia will make room for 3-4 Pop1-6 farms in that corner, and moving New Evora to the adjacent Hill (where the Army is) frees up more Grassland/food, and another couple of farm-sites.
Other than that, I haven't spent much thought on dot-mapping the south in any detail: there is a lot of fresh water though, so I think aiming to give (fewer) freshwater-farms enough food to reach Pop10-12 (i.e. CxxC = 4-6 watered + railed food-tiles per town) would be preferable to planting (more) Pop1-7 towns in strict ICS (i.e. CxC, 2-3 food-tiles per town). The latter may eventually produce more beakers, but also makes the Specialist-MM (even more of) a chore.
Save, as always, is below...
Turnlog:
Spoiler 1275-1300 AD :
Spoiler 1305-1325 AD :
We now own our Continent (apart from that nearly-inconsequential Ottoman splodge!), and are at peace with everyone who was giving us WW. We still have a semi-phony war going on with Industrial Sumeria, and a completely phony war with Ancient(!) Persia. Gilgamesh seems to have developed a fixation on Ohrid/ Praia: during this set he's dropped off 2 or 3 Caravel-loads of Ancient/Medieval units (which I immediately killed!). Not sure if that will continue, but that's why our Arty and a Cav-Army are stationed in the interchoke area. I also sank one Caravel, and the Frigs are floating there to guard the approach
We're tech-leader (Babs are 2nd, but we are siphoning Hammi's income), and once Combustion comes in on this IBT, we will be only 3 techs (~15T?) from the Modern Age -- lacking only MassProd (do this next, for CommDocks?), Flight, and MotorTrans. With the wars over, though, we don't really need the latter two urgently for anything, so it doesn't really matter which order we do them (cheaper first?).
Guimares is slowly building UniSuff as a prebuild for either CommDocks (would probably waste a lot of shields, though), or we could keep it going to grab the UN after we get Fission (nothing worse than losing to a UN-vote!). I've built Hospitals only in Lisbon and Sparta so far, with Sagres in progress, but SaoPaulo could also use one once its factory is finished, as can Argos: then e.g. Emerita could get started on BattlefieldMed as a prebuild for SETI.
For want of something better to do in our other fully infra'd core-towns, I have been building Cavs + Infs. We are nowhere near exceeding our free-unit allowance, and our Factory-towns are throwing out 40-55 SPT, so there seemed little point in drafting units (which I generally prefer to use only as an emergency measure anyway). Also, right now we have 'only' 5 Luxes available (the Babs' Dyes got pillaged, and the Summies appear to own all the Gems and Ivory), so it seemed better not to make our core-towns more unhappy than 'necessary'.
New vInfs have been sent to guard coastal towns: the northern part of the Continent is now almost completely surrounded by a Thin Purple Line, with the few Infs down south mostly left over from our victorious German campaign. I have used some vCavs for shield-disbands (and vInfs could be used like this as well), but we currently have a few Bab Infs on our turf (no RoP), and those Ancient Otto units are still in Greece (now nearly surrounded!), so it seemed sensible to keep some units where we could hit them quickly if they sneak-attacked us.
The nearer towns in former Greece and Russia which don't already have Factories could build those if we wanted them (I don't think we really need them though), and even the more distant towns look like they'll only be around 50% corrupt after a Courthouse, so can usefully build a [Courthouse,] [Duct,] Lib, Market and Uni (but nothing else?) and run at Pop12 with all citizens working tiles. Once past the interchoke area though, I'd minimise infra: I've been putting up Courts + Markets in the watered towns (to keep the Pop6-12 Geeks happy even if we lose another Lux), Walls in the Pop1-6 coastal towns (because why not?!), and Harbours where our citz can Go Fish to feed their Geeks (Stuttgart and Colina de Salitre could use a Lib, then a Harbour, and work 3 Fish).
Worker-shuffling has become a royal pain, though; might be better to just start consolidating the stacks and fully improving (plant, chop, irrigate, rail) all the tiles for 1-2 farms at a time. Here are some chop-maps, if you want them:
Spoiler North to south... :
Other than that, I haven't spent much thought on dot-mapping the south in any detail: there is a lot of fresh water though, so I think aiming to give (fewer) freshwater-farms enough food to reach Pop10-12 (i.e. CxxC = 4-6 watered + railed food-tiles per town) would be preferable to planting (more) Pop1-7 towns in strict ICS (i.e. CxC, 2-3 food-tiles per town). The latter may eventually produce more beakers, but also makes the Specialist-MM (even more of) a chore.
Save, as always, is below...
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Looking good. Thanks for the chop maps.
I'll work on planting (and growing) farming towns (first priority - fill in the empty spaces, so no-one else comes to plant towns, then plant on hills by water if possible) and getting infrastructure in moderately corrupt towns finished off. I don't think we need more factories - we don't need our moderately corrupt towns building anything, really, so they'll only cause pollution.
I do like to draft in pop-12 cities (that don't get a hospital) with full food boxes when we have infrastructure still to build, but this will be fairly corrupt towns, not core towns.
I hope to look at the save tonight.
I'll work on planting (and growing) farming towns (first priority - fill in the empty spaces, so no-one else comes to plant towns, then plant on hills by water if possible) and getting infrastructure in moderately corrupt towns finished off. I don't think we need more factories - we don't need our moderately corrupt towns building anything, really, so they'll only cause pollution.
I do like to draft in pop-12 cities (that don't get a hospital) with full food boxes when we have infrastructure still to build, but this will be fairly corrupt towns, not core towns.
I hope to look at the save tonight.
tjs282
Stone \ Cold / Fish
You'll see when you open the current save, that there are (now) far fewer Culture-holes than shown in the screenies, because the save that I used for the CAII chop-maps was made just before I founded towns in former Germany during my last turn. I wanted to consult the maps myself, to avoid founding on still-choppable tiles where possible; I then resaved afterwards.
Our coastline is now almost fully blocked off by towns (apart from where the line of Frigates is parked in the SE German Tundra), and there is really only 1 substantial inland hole left, in SW Byzantium — but that can be filled by the next crop of Settlers, once Nicomedia is gone.
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