Nobles' Club XXXVIII: Ghengis Khan

[gunsnroses]

Sorry to butt in on your discussion of the games you play but I was wondering, which mod do you guy's use? There seems to be a lot more info on your screen than on mine when I play the game? So which mod is it and where can I find it (if it's helpfull)?

 

[L-Plate Ruler]

@ gunsnroses - BUG mod - BTS Unaltered Gameplay

It's great. And the dot map feature, ALT+X, mucho fantastico

Many folks also run with BAT, but I can't speak to that.

 

[KaytieKat]

Hi

BAT is made by same folks who do BUG. Basically it is BUG mod with all its interface features but also adds TONS of graphics enhancement. Like BUG it doesnt do anything to alter the gameplay it just gives the game a spiffier look by combining art styles from a bunch of different, popular graphic mods like cultural diversity, veritas delelecta, blue marble, and many others all in one package.

Kaytie

 

[gunsnroses]

@ L-Plate Ruler - Thanks!!

 

[Gocho]

Monarch/Marathon
lib-->1590 (UN victory)

Spoiler :

It was sadly obvious that I wasn't going to have the votes needed for a UN win around 1300 so I went with some pointy stick diplomacy and corrected Sumeria and India's future voting policies! The rest of my Buddhist buddies spent this time kicking America off this deer infested planet. My good friend Zara willingly vassaled to me out of the blue and all that was left was to finish the MM beeline.



All in all fun game with a really easy map to play any strategy due to silly amounts of food everywhere!

 

[CivIVMonger]

I want to see someone take down Gandhi for continental domination!

 

[Gamma]

I'm playing noble, normal speed. I'm trying to get a war-type victory since I don't do that very often.

to 25 BC

Spoiler :

I settled in place, researched AH right away and founded beshbalik next to horses. I got 3 cities pumping out Keshiks and took out ethiopia. Now I'm trying to rebuild my economy. Any advice on how to do this effectively? I'm currently getting -12 gold per turn on 0% research, -72/turn at 100%. This is stopping me from continuing to destroy people, which I want to do. Roosevelt is right on my borders but Monty is the lone christian and everyone's enemy, and not too far away. Should I continue trying to rebuild or should I attack someone? And if I attack, who should it be?

also, how can I put screenshots in spoilers? I only know how to have them as attachments.

 

[Ignorant Teacher]

Gamma

Spoiler :

Many times a money drain situation comes from working the wrong tiles. Have you checked your cities to see if they're working commerce generating tiles, like cottages? Quit the chopping for a while, build them cottages, run some scientists and try to stabilize. Do you have Writing yet?

If you've already seen that or you've forgotten to get at least pottery and writing, do what the next paragraph suggests.

Declare war on anybody and take no cities. Raze the bejeezus out of them. That should give you enough money to reach currency, just watch out for the other AIs claiming the land you're making available.

also, how can I put screenshots in spoilers? I only know how to have them as attachments.

You need to get an account with an external image hosting service like photobucket or image shack.

 

[Carbon12]

I don't know how you all can call this an easy map. I played last night on noble/epic, and I was doing pretty good I thought at the start.

Spoiler :

I hooked up horses and attacked Ethiopia as soon as I could with a stack of about 5-6 Kheshiks. Unfortunately, I am away from my laptop right now, so I can't post screenies or saves, but I got Zara down to like 2 cities and thought "Well, he's done for". I gave him a peace treaty to regroup and attack again, but by the time I did, he had like 4 more cities, AND the units to defend them with. After that, I went to the relations screen, and saw that everyone hated Ghandi and Roosevelt. Ghandi capitulated before I could even get an army over to him. So I set my sights on Roosevelt. I took Boston, Washington, and Chicago, and razed New York. By then, Zara was squeezing my culture so bad it was like he didn't even go down to the brink of death. The big problem I had was that I had to shut down my research entirely to keep my empire's economy going. I built cottages EVERYWHERE, and put a courthouse in every city I could once they came online.

I'm going to try this map again tonight, but it's just frustrating. I've stomped the AI on warlord, but haven't been able to win a game on noble yet. Also, my problem is I forget to take screen shots and saves to post on here

EDIT: Ok, put actual game info in a spoiler. Sorry about that.

 

[dalamb]

Hmm. Maybe some of that should have been spoilered. I haven't played the map yet, but I can guess at a few things that might be involved in succeeding with Keshiks (based on discussions by other people):

• Keep up with the usual strategy of 1.5 or so workers per original city, and use them to build cottages.
• Use the chops that free up cottage-able land to build Kheshiks faster (a hard one for me -- I keep wanting to chop only workers and settlers).
• Attack with enough Kheshiks to prosecute a complete campaign to wipe out or capitulate your first target.
• Keep only the really, really good enemy cities and raze the rest. Worry about barbs later, and kill off the next civilization before it expands into the freed-up territory.
• Get a Medic III unit as soon as possible. Rest up and heal only between wars; keep the momentum going. "War can be economically self-sustaining."
• After Caste System consider running some merchant specialists to generate cash.

 

[dualmaster]

Emperor/Epic - 290BC Failure

Spoiler :

Yeah, settled second city for horses. All cities went Barracks>Ger>*Keshik



Took out Zara, Roosevelt, Monty, and almost done with Mehmed. But the strike is on and my forces are evaporating.

Big mistake I made was to start romping before getting to Pottery. Tons of good riverside grassland to cottage....this would have kept me afloat. Also shoulda burned at least 2, maybe 3 more cities. Otherwise this would be an easy win - could probably Keshik rush everyone (I checked in WB and Ghandi and Gilga weren't doing too great either). The AI definitely sucks on such heavily wooded starts.

 

[Gamma]

Now I'm up to 540 AD

Spoiler :

Alright, I've made a photobucket account, and I hope these pictures work.


I've attacked Monty and razed a bunch of his cities. My economy is slightly better, but still negative at 10% research (fortunately I have plenty of gold for now from capturing cities and pillaging). I have a lot of workers making cottages. As you can see in the picture, I'm about to attack the aztec capital.


If I capture it, should I keep it? And after I get Tenochtitlan, should I continue the war against monty, or should I stop and go after someone else?

 

[Ignorant Teacher]

Gamma

Spoiler :

Where are your workers? You still have all your forests up, chop them and build cottages! Only building research won't help you much.

 

[Gamma]

Spoiler :

I was building research just until I could get some better buildings to make, which is 2 turns away, with currency.

How many workers should I have now? should it still be 1.5 per city at this point? I think have 11 workers now with 9 cities, but I had a better ratio earlier on before my wars and the last couple cities I founded.

 

[Gocho]

@Gamma

Spoiler :

Amount of workers varies by map, ignore the 1.5 people mention sometimes as it's 100% map dependent, in this case so many forests calls for a few more workers, in my game I felt very undeveloped for a lot of it and I tend to build too many workers as a rule.

Basically build workers whenever cities are working unimproved tiles.

 

[KaytieKat]

Hi

Just my 2 cents regarding workers. Its true on more normal maps you need like 1.5 per city. BUT on map like this where there is TONS of xtra chopping I would try to get at least a 2 -1 ratio or better especially early just cuz all the chopping needing to be done means almost everything takes LOTS of extra worker turns. In my game at one point I had like 19 workers for 12 cities and it STILL didnt feel like enuff.

Kaytie

 

[GGS]

Prince/Epic. 950 BC

Spoiler :

Team Mongolia settled in place then worker, warrior, worker followed by the folks needed to build two new cities. Beshbalik in 2950 on the northern horse; Turfan in 2475 1E of the copper. Both built monument (more forests to chop), barracks and ger while Karakorum followed the same military course plus a library. The three huts were brilliant - 195 gold and mysticism. The tech path was AH, mining, BW, HBR, archery, writing, masonry with alphabet due in one turn. Gandhi, the final competitor, was met in 1450 although his exact location remains unknown.

The Ethiopian War began in 1225 with eight Keshiks moving on Gondar NNEEE of Askum; it had Stonehenge, good land and proximity so it was kept. Askum was razed in 1175 because it was a terrlible capital and the last Ethiopian city was burned in 1050.

The economy is challenge number one (106G-13pt@80% ain't headed in the best possible direction). Hopefully the Mongols can soon trade toward pottery. With 13 unemployed Keshiks and a Great General a war of opportunism would be better than nice.

 

[Groogaroo]

Well after a lot of slogging away with no economy, no money and very little beakers I finally managed to finish up may game.

First win on Emporer which is nothing short of a miracle!

Domination Victory - 1585 AD - Emporer/Epic

Spoiler :

With my new army of Knights it was time for one final showdown. I stormed through Ghandi taking several cities a turn, who went down very quickly. Only problem being only had enough EP's to revolt a couple of cities so most attacks were just Knights attacking at full defenses... I lost a lot of troops. Kept every city and quickly got border pops out after the war was over.

Checked the victory screen



So close, which is just aswell I didn't have enough troops to launch an effective attack on mehmed, considering he had 2 vassels aswell. From here on in I just grew my cities as quickly as possible.

Before too long...





Oddly enough this is possibly the worst game I have ever played, disorganised, messy, no attempt at an economy of any type. Yet I bagged my highest score ever!

All I did this game was build Keshiks and raze/capture cities barely keeping myself out of the red. As soon as war started research went down to 0% and stayed there for the rest of the game.

 

[RagingCalm]

Well, it's time to show the whole forum how much I suck at this game. This is my first time doing anything like this, so please bear with me. I'm playing this on Noble/Normal.

Spoiler :

4000 BC - Okay, I settled in place due to two deer tiles, a pig tile, a silver tile, and a marble tile all being in my BFC. I got to work on a Worker for 10 turns and my first tech is Animal Husbandry following TMIT's advice.
3960 BC and 3840 BC - I popped a couple huts for a grand total of 135 gold.
3640 BC - I popped another hut for 40 gold and found 4 deer tiles clustered around the same area to the north of where I settled Karakorum.
3600 BC - Some "lucky" soul founded Buddhism and my 1st worker is done. I looked at my options for my next build and I saw Barracks would only take 9 turns. So, I decided to build a Barracks.
3560 BC - AH is all done, so I went to Writing for 13 turns. Got my worker started on the closest deer tile to my city and another "lucky" sould founded Hinduism.
3440 BC - My scout popped a hut for experience, so I gave him the two woodsman upgrades for faster movement.
3400 BC - I found Zara Yaqob's territory off to the west. If I remember correctly, he expands rather quickly.
3280 BC - The Barracks are done and I start a Warrior for 4 turns.
3160 BC - Warrior was done and started a 2nd Warrior.
3040 BC - 2nd Warrior was done and Writing was completed. So I decided my next tech should be Mining (to work the silver) because my Worker was going to run out of stuff to do aside from road building. I next built a Library (11 turns) so I can get the scientist specialists and get myself a GS.
2800 BC - Mining is done, and I moved onto Bronze Working so I can start clearing forests. Had my Worker build roads for faster movement once I found a few more techs. At this point, the Worker did both deer tiles and I couldn't work the Pig Tile due to it being covered in Jungle.
2640 BC - The Library is done and I got my two specialists right away. I go to work making a Settler.
2480 BC - BW is done! I throw my civilization into Revolt for Slavery and I start work on Horseback Riding.
2400 BC - I whipped my Settler and started a 3rd Warrior.

Okay, now here is where I'm stuck. I'm not the greatest when it comes to city placement, so I'm asking for help. Below is my current map:



I'm thinking of going to the blue dot for my 2nd city so I can get the Horses immediately and I'll be connected via the river. For my 3rd city, I'm thinking of the yellow dot near the copper, so I can get the metal and a coastal city. For the 4th city, I'm thinking a spot near the dye for financial aid (the yellow dot near the dye).

So far my techs have been researched as thus: Animal Husbandry -> Writing -> Mining -> Bronze Working -> Horseback Riding

I'm thinking the next tech will be Archery, and afterwards, I'm not sure. I'm tempted to go for Masonry so I can work the Marble tile, but Pottery would also come in handy for Granary and maybe some cottaging. Thoughts?

Also, is this really slow? It feels slow but I'm not experienced enough to know for sure. Thanks for any help.

 

[dalamb]

@Groogaroo: