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That's what double wet corn will do for your start.
Yup. Getting to Writing-Lib-Acad asap is essential (and working silver), if we want an Oracle shot. A third city on this schedule hurts tech in the Pottery-Writing span quite a bit. Probably delays Writing by 5-10t - don't exactly know now.Rexing so fast combined with delaying the silver mine could be a problem if we try to get something really expensive with the Oracle.
Very interesting. When do you get the first settler in these two variants? Edit: Okay, I think I see. 2pop on T43, done on T44.If we went with the grow to size 4 plan we could get two more warriors and 2 settlers by T51 if we put 2 chops into the first settler and do a two pop whip on the second. This could be bought forward to T48 if we did a 2 pop whip on the first and a 1 pop whip on the second combined with two forest chops. (No roads are built in either of these plans though)
Rexing so fast combined with delaying the silver mine could be a problem if we try to get something really expensive with the Oracle.
If we went with the grow to size 4 plan we could get two more warriors and 2 settlers by T51 if we put 2 chops into the first settler and do a two pop whip on the second. This could be bought forward to T48 if we did a 2 pop whip on the first and a 1 pop whip on the second combined with two forest chops. (No roads are built in either of these plans though)
Rexing so fast combined with delaying the silver mine could be a problem if we try to get something really expensive with the Oracle.
Mutin/LC bbp mdy1 mdy2
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T29 warrior2
T30 warrior2 warrior2 warrior2
T38 warrior3 warrior3
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T42 settler1 settler1
T43
T44 settler1 settler1
T44
T45
T46
T47
T48 work mine settler2
T49
T50
T51 settler2
T52 settler2
T53
T54 work mine
T55 settler2 work mine
T56 work mine
T57
T58
T59 pop4 pop4+pott pop4
T60
T61 pottery pottery pop4
T62 pottery
I don't think CS is gonna happen with the kind of expansion we're talking, unless we take a major gamble and the mapmaker was really generous with AI starts. I think we'll need to seriously think about this aspect of it as soon as the next TS, since a realistic shot has to sacrifice some expansion goals, IMHO.shy said:With silver, we should be able to get to wheel--pottery--writing reasonably fast even if we spam out two cities ni quick succession. While we might not get CS from oracle, we should still be able to get CoL or philosophy (my new favorite ).
I do admit that my scouting decision was sub-optimal, as it would be very nice to know what the land looks like between us and Zara right now Hopefully it won't cost us anything in the long-run though!
Thought about posting this earlier, but decided to save it for the opportune moment, like now. One of the hardest to learn, but perhaps most important SOPs (standard operating procedures) that MW developed through time wasVery short sets (like 3/4 turns) are mandatory so we can adjust function of barbs/land topology/Zara position. We will prolly see other decision trees in the near future (but again, amazing work Mut )
This is why:Note: In my tests I am getting the second warrior and the first settler 1T later than LC's figures for some reason.
Basically, when at pop3, you switch from grass to plains forest for 2 turns.and second warrior turn 38(need a bit tie micro for that).
I agree with this. I wouldn't worry about leaving a couple of fogged tiles between our corn and the warrior's current location, safer to go straight to the hill, even if Zara's scout is down there fogbusting. It's always a crapshoot anyway. Playing to pop2 makes sense to me, unless something comes up. I vote for BW. I don't need any more discussion.OK lots of posts for what will be a pretty boring set! I've played a few of bbp's test saves and if I play to corn irrigation here's how it will go:
turn 15: still 4turns to worker build - Delhi continues to work corn
turn 19: worker is built, start irrigating corn, build warrior
turn 26: corn irrigated, still 2 turns to pop2, 4 turns to warrior
warrior can scout (safely) while this is going on generally in the direction of Zara. Scouting in that direction seems like the most prudent course of action to me.
Only real debate now I think is whether we tech Wheel or BW. It looks to me from LC's analysis that BW gives us the most flexibility. Comments on this updated plan?