SGOTM 19 - Fifth Element

LincolnOfRome · Apr 29, 2014

enKage said:
My mouse is right-doubleclicking, so 1 city was razed 1 turn later and I attacked with Sargon by mistake luckily he won (While attacking in Arabian territory at Khurasan, Sargon (0.60/15) defeats Arabian Rifleman (Prob Victory: 8.8%) - it is a justice after losing 4 battles on very positive odds on the first turn) . Cannot play more as I go to buy a new mouse

We are having an epidemic of GG attacks. Congrats on the < 10% victory. I start playing when I get home. You left Istanbul with no garrison? I'm to raze every city, no exceptions?

BLubmuz · Apr 29, 2014

LincolnOfRome said:
We are having an epidemic of GG attacks. Congrats on the < 10% victory. I start playing when I get home. You left Istanbul with no garrison? I'm to raze every city, no exceptions?

Kufah, of course. And gift the WB to Napo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Load the troops near the barb city and let it alone, it limits our borders!

LincolnOfRome · Apr 29, 2014

I'm playing now. I'll report when I'm done.

LincolnOfRome · Apr 29, 2014

I played until Alex was destroyed. The save is on the server. Big army is in Kufah. I haven't declared war on Nappy yet. All cities are Sushified except Kufah and ice cities. I placed workers around to prevent barbarian cities, but couldn't prevent Nappy cities. Ottomans are three turns from MT. I gifted the workboat so resource is being fished.

BLubmuz · Apr 29, 2014

Good job wiping Alex in 5 turns.
Maybe tomorrow i can open the save, so we can discuss what we need to do.

enKage · Apr 29, 2014

BLubmuz said:
Kufah, of course. And gift the WB to Napo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Load the troops near the barb city and let it alone, it limits our borders!

good point

enKage · Apr 29, 2014

BLubmuz said:
So, we're using units, paying maintenance and all that to raze a city which can stay as is? talented!

The extra condition is that every city must have a franchise of your monopoly corp, unless it has the Corp HQ of a competing corporation. This is communicated to team by PM after a savesave with Democracy is uploaded.

Alu is NOT competing with Sushi. Sushi competes with Cereal and Ethanol, not Alu. Barb city must be razed

enKage · Apr 29, 2014

OK everything is clear, I declare

LincolnOfRome · Apr 29, 2014

BLubmuz said:
Good job wiping Alex in 5 turns.
Maybe tomorrow i can open the save, so we can discuss what we need to do.

Thank you enKage for giving me spies so I didn't have to bombard or lose three time as many units by skipping bombard. Go go enKage!

enKage · Apr 29, 2014

Just played.

Stoped few turns before victory

SG on serv.

enKage · Apr 29, 2014

Declared the very first moment.

Now we are:
1 turn hopefully to raze barb city NE (2 cannons + 3 rifles+cav vs 3 rifles
- 1 turn from razing last barb city south of Nap (cannon + rifles
- 1 turn before razing Nap city
- 2 turns from razing his present capital -
- soon to raze Augsburg (2 rifles defending) - conquest done.. Augsburg should be last to raze, as it blocks some culture plots of Wooden Spoon

BUT

we are 58% domi limit

and:
1) one of ice cities will pop in 4 turns
- Bursa stoppes revolting in 3 or 4 turns, dont remember now - we want that fish before killing last city of Nap
- Kufah stoppes revolting in 2 turns.

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Problems: CULTURE xD and executives.

Executives as you now have a chance of NO SPREADING corporation. So if we want to be sure, we have to spread corpo now, to have time to rushbuy another one just in case. Corporation brings +27 culture (!!!)

Plan: IMPORTANT !!!!!!!!!!!
When Kufah stops revolting IMMEDIATELY rushbuy boat
- raze 2 last souther Nap cities, cavs are enough
- the last city of Nap to raze should be Augsburg. Maybe move some cavs there to make it for sure. Unfortunately Napo does not want to take back Istanbul, even when it is constantly unprotected !!
- IMPROVE SEAFOOD NEAR KUFAH AND BASRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PROBLEM
If we spread corpos in ice cities now, we can be sure they pop borders before Bursa stops revolting, but we have to do it, because our spread on the very last turn may be unsuccesful!!!!

SOLUTION
1) Spread corpos in last 5 cities. If succesfull - be happy. If not, rushbuy executive in the nearest city and wait a turn
2) revolt to Nationalism + OR (or any other religion civic - I suppose that is 2 turns we need). - get rid of free speech. If all spreads succesful, revolt the very first turn. We need the exact number of anarchy turns to be sure it ends AFTER Kufah stops revoltuing (to rushbuy workboat) and before Basra stops revolting (as it can trigger domination win)
Why double switch? Because: We want also have a possibility of 1 more anarchy turn for changing state religion. Just in case.

As far as I know Anarchy is prohibited only in case of avoiding unit strike.

BLubmuz, LoR, comments please.

In any case, LoR you HAVE to play the last set very turn by very turn.

enKage · Apr 30, 2014

Or if someone is good enough in copunting tiles needed for domination - do your best

Nap doublerevolted 1 turn before, so he should be in anarchhy now, not avble to produce more units

enKage · Apr 30, 2014

Log but I suppose not needed at this stage

Spoiler :

enKage · Apr 30, 2014

With corpo and FS 2 more arctic cities will pop borders in 2 turns. Without FS - 4 or 5 turns.

Also check every turn if all rice farms are not destroyed by enemy investigators

enKage · Apr 30, 2014

no post

BLubmuz · Apr 30, 2014

I look at the save and i see 2 constraints:
- Bursa, which will go out of revolt in 3 turns
- Kufah, which will go out of revolt in 2 turns
- Kufah needs a WB which can be rush-buy completely, thus it's 3 turns before to improve crabs

looking F1 i can see 2 cities expand in 4 turns, so no problem, see we can be OK with Bursa and Kufah in 3.

Execs can fail to spread only if there's another Corp in the city, like missionaries can do if there's a different religion. But, like missionaries, they cannot fail if no Corp/Religion in the city

I checked and spread Sushi cost 83g, so we already have the gold needed.

IMO we must:
- raze anything in the South ASAP
- surround Augsburg with as many troops as possible and take it as the last city in 2 turns from now (when we see Kufah out of revolt)
- the following turn (3 from now) we have the victory screen
- at the same time we have:
-- Bursa out of revolt
-- the WB ready (only 1 tile to move)
-- all the execs already in place to spread Sushi

At that point, we can win by Dom or Conquest, we have won.

You can:
- Move a cavalry now N of Istanbul in the city, so even if it loses the rifle will be damaged and we take it back easily
- Marsin will fall next turn
- Edirne and the barb city in 2
- Augsburg in 2 if you move all the troops you have in the area
- stop building units, just complete the ones with 1 turn left and build whealth
- protect the cannon with a cav and start bombardinf Augsburg from the desert hill
- lure the rifles with the worker now between Augsburg and Wooden Spoon and with a couple cavs

Bring it home ASAP, you deserve it!

BLubmuz · Apr 30, 2014

On a last note, it seems we're some 500 years behind the worse team.
I don't think anyone of them has lost or won by accident - as we're risking to do.
Aside the setback we has after the first war, i can't see how they can have done it so fast. I should have lost my touch or probably i can't read correctly the setups of the latest SGs.

In any case, better a wooden spoon than not be qualified.

And in any case, it was a great fun and pleasure for me this game with you guys, as it wasn't in the latest games.

Pity Unclethrill has left the team - and i'm afraid he won't have time anymore for this competition - and Pigswill has had his problems.

Needless to say, i hope to reform for the 20th.

enKage · Apr 30, 2014

I was sure corpo spread can fail even with no corpo in.

If it cannot fail, I continue now to the end.

enKage · Apr 30, 2014

BLubmuz said:
i can't see how they can have done it so fast. .

2 diplomatics, so probably jewellery, or sushi powered research and 2 sushi powered cultures. You didnt lose the understanding of SG setups

We just do not have enough deity players in team except you, who will contribute every set. I am emperor player winning immo from time to time, LoR AFAIR from sign up tread is also immo. RL is always more important, sol we have to live with it

and we cannot counter Kaitzilla+Pollina combo

enKage · Apr 30, 2014

OK, everything done. I just to check the 10th time in a row if all conditions are in and make a final hit on Augsburg.

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