TalladegaKnight
King
Good job finishing this one up DH. Almost there.
Plan looks good. Good luck.
Plan looks good. Good luck.
SGOTM 19 - Unusual Suspects
- Thread starter AlanH
- Start date
Playing AD1250 partially completed. I will be back later.
IBT: Marsin captured and Peace declared.
Alex split his stacks, with 8 elephants and other units going to tile next to Marsin. Nice that there isn't a road in it, so that army is stranded for a turn.
Declared war on Alex (got it right this time). Our 47 cav stack teleported away from the one horse archer in the tile. no problem still close enough
Killed his units in Samsun and vicinity.
Don't see his HA that was in our territory. Either "hiding" in Kubla fog or went all the way home.
will continue in about 3 hours
IBT: Marsin captured and Peace declared.
Alex split his stacks, with 8 elephants and other units going to tile next to Marsin. Nice that there isn't a road in it, so that army is stranded for a turn.
Declared war on Alex (got it right this time). Our 47 cav stack teleported away from the one horse archer in the tile. no problem still close enough
Killed his units in Samsun and vicinity.
Don't see his HA that was in our territory. Either "hiding" in Kubla fog or went all the way home.
will continue in about 3 hours
SteelHorse
Deity
go go go!
OK, it's 3:30 am; going to get some sleep and continue in the afternoon.
Here's the save if you want to look at it:
http://gotm.civfanatics.net/download.php?file=Unusual_Suspects_SG019_AD1330_01.CivBeyondSwordSave
I took notes each turn, of cities razed, declarations etc. Maybe I will write those details up later.
We are close to the end. Around two dozen Execs still needed; Alex has six cities, Kubla two. Two coal cities to be founded when Alex is gone.
Here's the save if you want to look at it:
http://gotm.civfanatics.net/download.php?file=Unusual_Suspects_SG019_AD1330_01.CivBeyondSwordSave
I took notes each turn, of cities razed, declarations etc. Maybe I will write those details up later.
We are close to the end. Around two dozen Execs still needed; Alex has six cities, Kubla two. Two coal cities to be founded when Alex is gone.
SteelHorse
Deity
Yes - looking very good. The end is near. 
OK, almost done. Consulting on one final question.
Just spent some time figuring out how to spread to our last ten cities in minimum time and with the money we have. I can do it in 3 more turns. Let's assume I am on turn 0.
We are told that we are allowed to spread the Corp on the final turn after victory and "one more turn" before saving for submittal.
There is also a chance for a corporation to fail to spread. I did a forum search and didn't find much. Does anyone know the chance? Is it less likely to fail going to our own cities on our own continent with no other corps in the city?
OK, do we want to gamble and spread the corp in our last 5 cities on the turn after I complete the conquest? Or play it safe, spread to all cities, then capture/raze final city?
I will play the next two turns now (but won't end turn). Then check back and see if we want to be bold or cautious.
edit: note that we haven't had any failures so far; if it is like religion, then religion always spreads to a city that doesn't already have one; since the question was asked and answered, I expect other teams to do this, I am in favor of bold.
Just spent some time figuring out how to spread to our last ten cities in minimum time and with the money we have. I can do it in 3 more turns. Let's assume I am on turn 0.
We are told that we are allowed to spread the Corp on the final turn after victory and "one more turn" before saving for submittal.
There is also a chance for a corporation to fail to spread. I did a forum search and didn't find much. Does anyone know the chance? Is it less likely to fail going to our own cities on our own continent with no other corps in the city?
OK, do we want to gamble and spread the corp in our last 5 cities on the turn after I complete the conquest? Or play it safe, spread to all cities, then capture/raze final city?
I will play the next two turns now (but won't end turn). Then check back and see if we want to be bold or cautious.
edit: note that we haven't had any failures so far; if it is like religion, then religion always spreads to a city that doesn't already have one; since the question was asked and answered, I expect other teams to do this, I am in favor of bold.
The story of Antalya
Left the city empty in hope Alex would take it and raze it. [note, also left Toledo empty and he never went for it]
He left a stack in the forest across from it (3LB, 2HA, 2WE). Nice that we dont have to deal with them.
That stack never moves.
1340 - So, I build an archer and move it next to his stack.
IBT - Success, stack kills archer and moves.
1350 - I whip another archer to reduce city size to 1. And leave Baghdad alive hoping he will take and raze Antalya.
IBT - Next turn he kills archer, captures, and keeps the city.
Note that it did not autoraze because it had once had a population >1 (2) (oops, if Id realized we didnt want to keep it ).
He keeps the city as his capital is ready to fall. So, Arabia lasts a couple extra turns (with lots of associated war weariness)
1370 fail to retake Antalya (not enough troops, low probability attack)
1380 finally Antalya is ours again, no option to raze (like I said, because it has our culture and/or was size 2)
1400 spread AlumCo to Antalya
Left the city empty in hope Alex would take it and raze it. [note, also left Toledo empty and he never went for it]
He left a stack in the forest across from it (3LB, 2HA, 2WE). Nice that we dont have to deal with them.
That stack never moves.
1340 - So, I build an archer and move it next to his stack.
IBT - Success, stack kills archer and moves.
1350 - I whip another archer to reduce city size to 1. And leave Baghdad alive hoping he will take and raze Antalya.
IBT - Next turn he kills archer, captures, and keeps the city.
Note that it did not autoraze because it had once had a population >1 (2) (oops, if Id realized we didnt want to keep it ).
He keeps the city as his capital is ready to fall. So, Arabia lasts a couple extra turns (with lots of associated war weariness)
1370 fail to retake Antalya (not enough troops, low probability attack)
1380 finally Antalya is ours again, no option to raze (like I said, because it has our culture and/or was size 2)
1400 spread AlumCo to Antalya
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Here are my notes of cities captured/razed and other events AD 1250 – 1410
certainly not complete and some cities my not be listed. with all the combat, I don’t think the logs are worth posting.
Note there was a lot of unit deletion and pillaging the last few turns.
1250AD (cont) – Oh, it is Kubla that made peace with Napoleon (not Alex)
IBT: AP Demand return of Seville to Spain, I Defy (it has coal)
1260 - many units healing, Capture and keep Diyarbakir
IBT: vote Fails (because Defy) vote was 186 to 23 with need of 142
1270 - raze Mecca, raze Marsin
AlumCo spread to Gold City
IBT: Alex big stack attacks my big stack across river [edit, note this is his second big stack, with WE and Macemen; recall he had split his stack, we killed his stack in Marsin, then healed up a few turns from his other stack]
I had pillaged the roads so he couldn’t move more than one tile and left my stack healing next to him
Our losses: 9; His Losses: 34
1280 - Kill the rest of his units in that stack (9, lose 2)
raze Medina – 8 turns to come out of revolt [so need to spread AlumCo here in less than 8 turns or keeping it would have been better]
Declare on Napoleon, Raze: Malatya, Avar, Zonguldak
abandon Diyarbakin (we’ll be back) Alex stack ready to take it
AlumCo spread to Bourgogne
IBT – lose Diyarbakin
1290 - finally pillage iron by Kufah (lost 4 cuirs to pikes there in previous turns)
IBT – Kubla demands Democracy, I say no
1300- raze Anjar, Gaziantep – Nappy is dead
1310 raze Instanbul
1320 retake Diyarbakir, raze Konya, declare on Kubla
1330 [where are my notes for this turn? I will update this if I find them] Last save file posted.
1340 - raze Damascus, Kufah, Basra, Barb City that spawned on iron in South
start deleting units (to save money)
1350 - start pillageing everywhere and continue deleting units
raze Khurassan, leave Baghdad alive hoping he will take and raze Antalya
IBT Antalya captured but not razed
1360/198 - raze Baghdad
IBT – we win AP Residency vote
1370 raze Santander (new Kubla city near Aachen)
1380 capture Antalya
1390 What the ? another barb city (Ligurian) created; I’ve put a lot of effort into spawn busting, but units moving around to pillage left a gap, see screenshot; Ligurian razed
Kubla has one city; pillaging has been continuing
end of turn, stop and do careful planning for spread of AlumCo to final 10 cities
1400 - spread to Antalya, Singapore, move and whip others
1410 - spread to New Damascus, New Zaragoza, Bantu
Execs bought in New Zaragoza and whipped in whipped in Aachen & Thess;
Ready to spread corp to Ulm, Debre, Ironclad, Utrecht, and Kassite
money to spare, because managed 5pop whips instead of buying last two execs.
screenshots: AP vote, Kubla demand, Ligurian in fog
took screenshots of most cities before razing, but not worth posting
certainly not complete and some cities my not be listed. with all the combat, I don’t think the logs are worth posting.
Note there was a lot of unit deletion and pillaging the last few turns.
1250AD (cont) – Oh, it is Kubla that made peace with Napoleon (not Alex)
IBT: AP Demand return of Seville to Spain, I Defy (it has coal)
1260 - many units healing, Capture and keep Diyarbakir
IBT: vote Fails (because Defy) vote was 186 to 23 with need of 142
1270 - raze Mecca, raze Marsin
AlumCo spread to Gold City
IBT: Alex big stack attacks my big stack across river [edit, note this is his second big stack, with WE and Macemen; recall he had split his stack, we killed his stack in Marsin, then healed up a few turns from his other stack]
I had pillaged the roads so he couldn’t move more than one tile and left my stack healing next to him
Our losses: 9; His Losses: 34
1280 - Kill the rest of his units in that stack (9, lose 2)
raze Medina – 8 turns to come out of revolt [so need to spread AlumCo here in less than 8 turns or keeping it would have been better]
Declare on Napoleon, Raze: Malatya, Avar, Zonguldak
abandon Diyarbakin (we’ll be back) Alex stack ready to take it
AlumCo spread to Bourgogne
IBT – lose Diyarbakin
1290 - finally pillage iron by Kufah (lost 4 cuirs to pikes there in previous turns)
IBT – Kubla demands Democracy, I say no
1300- raze Anjar, Gaziantep – Nappy is dead
1310 raze Instanbul
1320 retake Diyarbakir, raze Konya, declare on Kubla
1330 [where are my notes for this turn? I will update this if I find them] Last save file posted.
1340 - raze Damascus, Kufah, Basra, Barb City that spawned on iron in South
start deleting units (to save money)
1350 - start pillageing everywhere and continue deleting units
raze Khurassan, leave Baghdad alive hoping he will take and raze Antalya
IBT Antalya captured but not razed
1360/198 - raze Baghdad
IBT – we win AP Residency vote
1370 raze Santander (new Kubla city near Aachen)
1380 capture Antalya
1390 What the ? another barb city (Ligurian) created; I’ve put a lot of effort into spawn busting, but units moving around to pillage left a gap, see screenshot; Ligurian razed
Kubla has one city; pillaging has been continuing
end of turn, stop and do careful planning for spread of AlumCo to final 10 cities
1400 - spread to Antalya, Singapore, move and whip others
1410 - spread to New Damascus, New Zaragoza, Bantu
Execs bought in New Zaragoza and whipped in whipped in Aachen & Thess;
Ready to spread corp to Ulm, Debre, Ironclad, Utrecht, and Kassite
money to spare, because managed 5pop whips instead of buying last two execs.
screenshots: AP vote, Kubla demand, Ligurian in fog
took screenshots of most cities before razing, but not worth posting
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sorry about antalya.
we are aiming for a victory around 1450. we will not be last, we will not be in the top 3
Don't need to be too strict about cuting1 turn. let's just play safe.
great play it must have taken you quite an amount of time to play all those turns
we are aiming for a victory around 1450. we will not be last, we will not be in the top 3
Don't need to be too strict about cuting1 turn. let's just play safe.
great play it must have taken you quite an amount of time to play all those turns
Our victory will either be 1420 or 1430.sorry about antalya.
we are aiming for a victory around 1450. we will not be last, we will not be in the top 3
Don't need to be too strict about cuting1 turn. let's just play safe.
great play it must have taken you quite an amount of time to play all those turns
I was previously planning on being cautious. But if it is like missionaries... And no failures so far. However, as they say about the stock market: "Past Performance is no indicator of Future Success"
Yup. I play slowly. About an hour per turn during the big fights. But it was lots of Fun.
TalladegaKnight
King
Our victory will either be 1420 or 1430.
I was previously planning on being cautious. But if it is like missionaries... And no failures so far. However, as they say about the stock market: "Past Performance is no indicator of Future Success"
Yup. I play slowly. About an hour per turn during the big fights. But it was lots of Fun.
Great job DH. Impressive effort. Those last turns can take forever.
SteelHorse
Deity
Yup - nice work.
Thanks for all the effort to finish this!
Thanks for all the effort to finish this!
SteelHorse
Deity
Your call on the last city.
Well, I think it should be unanimous. Unlikely it would drop us one place, like from 5th to 6th. And would be a shame if it disqualified us. So, I will be cautious. I have a half hour before leaving for lunch. Here goes.
The Final Save: http://gotm.civfanatics.net/download.php?file=Unusual_Suspects_SG019_AD1430_01.CivBeyondSwordSave
OK, we've won. It doesn't matter what I do with last city, maybe keep it? oops that would be an incredible blunder and lose the game, how could I even think that? (tired) 
I switched research to 100% to learn Steel in one turn.
Turn 202 Log:
202 BUFFYLog:
I'm going to PM Alan and Swede now. I think it is ok to look at other threads, but don't post in them until a) Alan gives the OK and b) they have finished.
Oww, my wrists - from all that clicking.
OK, we've won. It doesn't matter what I do with last city, maybe keep it? oops
that would be an incredible blunder and lose the game, how could I even think that? (tired) I switched research to 100% to learn Steel in one turn.
Turn 202 Log:
Spoiler :
202 BUFFYLog:
Spoiler :
I'm going to PM Alan and Swede now. I think it is ok to look at other threads, but don't post in them until a) Alan gives the OK and b) they have finished.
Oww, my wrists - from all that clicking.
Spreading Corp was limiting factor. We could have saved at least 5 turns (for GoToJail to come out of revolt) if we had realized how to get to it sooner. Plus more if we had committed to AlumCo sooner. Well, those Sushi cities maybe added just a turn or two.
Our Goals:
Small team, with lots of participation by all Revent doesn't count.
Fun game
Win the game, satisfying all conditions
Not have latest finish date
Not have latest final submission date
Beat A'pos'tro'p'hes
looks like they will beat us by ten turns
Small team, with lots of participation by all
Revent doesn't count. Fun game
Win the game, satisfying all conditions
Not have latest finish date
Not have latest final submission date
Beat A'pos'tro'p'hes
looks like they will beat us by ten turnsthanks Deckhand for the finish 
We had some disagrements on global strategy but we went good given our lack of "top player".
For my particular point of view, it was very intersting to be mutch more involved in the global strat than the previous games. It felt good (even if i was wrong on some points).
I liked that small team experience
We had some disagrements on global strategy but we went good given our lack of "top player".
For my particular point of view, it was very intersting to be mutch more involved in the global strat than the previous games. It felt good (even if i was wrong on some points).
I liked that small team experience
