Sisiutil
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Do you have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed?caps said:I am unable to open up your guide. I am not sure why but a blank screen comes up.
Do you have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed?caps said:I am unable to open up your guide. I am not sure why but a blank screen comes up.
This is likely a betrayal of my own ignorance, but I don't understand the distinction between wealth and commerce that you're trying to make here.VoiceOfUnreason said:The commerce city section (now 4.3.4) still betrays a lack of understanding of commerce. Bluntly, a commerce city is not a wealth city.
Except in those circumstances when the commerce sliders are completely committed to one product, commerce cities benefit from all of the gold multiplier buildings and all of the science multiplier buildings.
Wealth cities can get by without the science buildings - but the key feature is that a wealth city will typically have a shrine (to generate income for the bank to multiply).
Sisiutil said:This is likely a betrayal of my own ignorance, but I don't understand the distinction between wealth and commerce that you're trying to make here.
On the one hand, I intended this document as a beginner's guide to levels up to and including Noble, so I'm trying to avoid esoteric analyses that really only make a big difference at the higher difficulty levels. I sincerely apologize if that statement offends you, but I've been winning pretty handily all the way up to Prince level without fully grokking what you're trying to get at, so I'm not sure why a beginner would need to know it. (When I start getting my butt kicked at Emperor, however, I will probably come begging to you for advice.)
On the other hand, like all Civ addicts, I'm always open to learning better ways of playing the game. And I may already understand the distinction at some level, but not be able to verbalize it.
So my challenge to you, VoU, is to explain the point you're trying to make about wealth versus commerce simply and succinctly, in say 50 words or less, and I'll include it in the guide. Fair enough?
Sisiutil said:Thanks trianglman, that does help. It definitely falls into the category of something I understood at some level without being able to, or not previously bothering to, verbalize.
I'll try to work this into the next version, though it may not be to the depth some of you would prefer.
I'll do that. I think when I followed your link there before, it was late at night--after another umpteen turns of gameplay--and didn't give that thread the attention it deserved.VoiceOfUnreason said:Again, I recommend checking Next-level City Specialization, then deciding how much of that depth is appropriate to your guide, and finding a useful way to articulate it.
Sisiutil said:Now that I think about it, it's interesting how food and hammers are pretty much only used within the city that produces them, while commerce is contributed to your civilization as a whole.
Interesting. I didn't think there were that many changes to 1.61 that would make a huge difference to overall gameplay--it just balances things a little better. People are still chopping, building the Kremlin, choosing the Representation civic and building the Pyramids to get it early, even though all of those have been "nerfed". I'm still doing those things on Prince and find they're still valuable, if not as powerful as before. That means they should be even more effective on Noble and lower levels.Scandinavian said:In the previous version I had fine results using the strategy you describe, but not in 1.61.
jsolo15 said:I'm unsure of when I should start building my army. I notice during my army building phase. I start getting invaded by armies of Barb. I find I don't have enough to prevent them from destroying my outter city improvement.