@Giannoulis97 - I appreciate your offer! This mod (as well as the scenarios for this mod) use a "naming script" to give civ-appropriate names to the units that appear on the map. It gives the mod a more "immersive" quality that hopefully pulls you deeper into the game. And since Civ5 is basically a "toy soldier" gaming experience, these changes make playing the game even more fun.
Currently, the namer script has civ-appropriate names for American, English, Austrian, French, German, Japanese, Roman, Ottoman, Russian, Spanish units. For other civs, they use the American unit names for land and air units, and a large table of names for ships (this table is a sampling of all ship names for the 10 civs mentioned earlier.
The problem is, one player (a history buff) was playing the Greek civ, and one of his ships was called "SS Seddul Bahir" - and since civs usually don't name ships after historical battle wins for major competitors (Turks/Ottomans), this (rightly) "broke" the immersive qualities I'm trying to achieve. So, he offered to provide a large number of historical Greek ship names from Janes, but for me to add Greece to the 10 civs that have specific unit names in the namer script, I need much more than just ship names. As he was an historian and not a Greek speaker, he wasn't able to provide this help - it's why I asked for someone who could.
If you're willing, I would need Greek knowledge about various issues concerning naming of Greek units. We don't have to be 100% accurate in everything, but I would like to find names that will draw the Greek player in deeper and not push them further away. The specific data I need is in red below. The rest of the wall of text is to better explain what and why I'm looking for.
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First, for the land and air units. Below is a list of the "unit organizations" I'm trying to find a Greek name for. There are 3 entries, plus some comments to better explain what I'm looking for. At the top of the list is an example line of what's listed below:
0. UNIT_ROLE (Civ 5 unit type) = "Unit Name"
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1. AIRBORNE (Paratrooper) = "Airborne Division"
2. ARMOR (Tank) = "Armor Division"
3. INFANTRY (Infantry) = "Infantry Division"
4. MARINE (Marine) = "Marine Division"
5. ADA (Anti Air Gun) = "Air Defense Regiment"
6. ANTI_TANK (Anti Tank Gun) = "Anti-Tank Regiment"
7. ARTY (Artillery) = "Artillery Regiment"
8. SPEC_FORCES (None) = "Special Forces Regiment" --- A new unit added by WAW, replaces the Paratrooper unit
9. MACH_GUN (Machine Gun) = "Machine Gun Company" --- When machine guns were first introduced to infantry divisions, they were usually assigned to their own unit, and assigned to various infantry regiments who needed them
10. CAV (Cavalry) = "Cavalry Regiment"
11. AVIATION (Helicopter Gunship) = "Aviation Regiment"
12. DRONE (None) = "Drone Squadron" --- This unit is a UAV (Unmanned Aerial Vehicle), like the Predator or Reaper - first appearing in the 90s
13. MEDIC (None) = "Medical Battalion" --- WAW added this civilian unit, that helps faster heal damaged funits nearby
14. FIGHTER (Fighter) = "Fighter Squadron"
15. BOMBER (Bomber) = "Bomber Squadron"
16. RECON (None) = "Recon Squadron" -- Specialized units (Zeppelin, Recon Plane [like the Mosquito], and Recon Jet [like the SR-71]
17. ROBOT (Giant Death Robot) = "Robotics Regiment"
Bottom line:
- I need a Greek equivalent name for each of those 17 unit names (the names in quotation marks), and if there really isn't one (e.g. Robotics Regiment), you can be creative if you like.
- I need good names for military organizations: company, regiment, division, squadron
- How would we "enumerate" unit types: for example, in English we say "1st Infantry Division" and "2nd Infantry Division" etc. How do we use "ordinal numbers" for Greek units? I think "1st" would be "1n" and "2nd" is "2n" ? Keep in mind, I can only use simple Latin letters.
- Actually, the Unit type and Organization together is really what I need (i.e. does the organization come before the unit type or after?)
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The next thing I would need would be the Greek ship "prefix." For example, an American aircraft carrier is called, "USS Enterprise". The USS stands for "United States Ship". In Britain, they use "HMS Victory" where HMS stands for Her/His Majesty's Ship.
Is there a Greek equivalent? The game uses "SS" for a prefix for civs that don't have civ-appropriate unit names. It stands for "State's Ship" where "State" is a substitute for the country. It's used commonly for non-military ships, so it's about the best I can do for civs that don't have specific ship names. Earlier in development, I didn't use the "SS" prefix, and the ships on the map without them looked silly - like random words all over the map.
France doesn't use prefixes, so often times I've seen when other nations discuss French ships, they add "FS" to the beginning of the name, standing for "French Ship". If there is no Greek equivalent, we could use "GS" or "SS" which ever one would look better to a Greek speaker.
And to further complicate matters, if there is an abbreviation, did it change at any time between 1870 and 2020? For example, Germany uses "SMS" (the German equivalent to England's HMS) before the Nazis took power (La Belle Époque/Industrial Eras and the Great War/Modern Eras. When the Nazis took power, they named the ships starting with "DKM" (WW2/Atomic Eras). After the Nazis were gone, Germany used the "FGS" prefix (Cold War/Information Eras and later).
So, the bottom line:
- Did Greece use prefixes for their ships between 1870 and today? Maybe "BN" for "Royal Hellenic Navy" (Belle Epoque and Great War Eras), and "HN" for "Helennic Navy" in WW2 and later Eras?
- If so, what are those prefixes for each game Era?
- If not, what can we use as a prefix that won't irritate native Greek speakers/Greek historians?
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There are 4 basic ship types: melee (destroyers), ranged (battleships), carriers, and submarines. If you have a good source for Greek ship names (beyond Wikipedia), I'd appreciate it. I know there probably aren't a lot of Greek aircraft carrier names, so any suggestions you could give on how to get some names for those, I'd appreciate it.
For submarines, some civs (Germany, Austria, Japan) didn't give a proper name to their subs, only a sequencing number. Germany used "U-1" for it's first U-Boat, getting into the "U-500" 's by the time the war ended. Austria (in the Great War did the same). Japan used "T-000" for its subs.
So, the bottom line:
- Appreciate any links to ship names
- Appreciate any recommendations on hard to name ships like Carriers
- Did Greece use proper names or sequence numbers for its subs?
- If they used sequence numbers, what did the entire prefix look like?
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Finally, as with the ship names, I'll need some Great General and Great Admiral names. If you have any references beyond Wiki, please let me know. Getting good names really does make the map look more interesting.
Bottom line:
- Do you have any good links for Generals and Admirals from 1870 and later?
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I know it looks like a wall of text, but really it's just about 17 unit names, ship prefixes, and links to good ship, GG , and GA names.
Really appreciate it!
EDIT: Oh, I forgot. These changes to Greek units will apply to the game's normal Greek civ, with Alexander as the leader. If there are any other custom Greek civs you'd like me to add to the script (so they'll get their units properly named), let me know. Here's that extra civs I plan on adding:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2243273955 (Greek Civ)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1220477834
EDIT2: I'm researching GG and GA names, and am seeing some unit names I need from the first part above (land and air units). I found an article on Wiki disussing the 2nd Infantry Division. It says this is the Greek name of that unit (with Latin letters):
II Merarchia Pezikou
So - is this the name of the unit you'd recommend? Also, they don't use an "ordinal suffix" after the number - just the basic number (like the English do with their Air Squadrons). Is this right, or would a better name be this:
IIn Merarchia Pezikou
Which looks more correct to a native Greek speaker?
Does "6th" = "6o"?
