Doesn't change my assessment.please ı edited in a part .
I don't know if it really happened that way but there are definitely tensions in this regard within Europe.for the part you wouldn't have understand in my post it says the EU demanded Airbus domination in return for accepting F-35 destroying their military prospects . 380 to replace 747 which Boeing was forced to accept but "betrayed" the deal by the publicity o the Sonic Cruiser which was then handily replaced by the 787 , which happily crushed the 380 or something . Ths world is not all Gulf Arabian statelets with a lot of sand , so that you can build bigger and bigger airports .
What surprises me is how ahead is the US when it goes about military aviation and how late it is when it goes about civil aviation. That new B-21 raider thing is super impressive.
Now okay we can guess that the US military is so ahead thanks to their incredible fundings ($400 billion for the F35 program, $200 billion for the B-21 program), but then the question is how aren't the US able to bail out Boeing knowing how important is civil aviation economically? That seems to be more a matter of choice rather than a matter of capacity.
All in all, Airbus has already launched its program to replace its own narrowbody champion, the A320, by 2035/2040 (probably with a hydrogen-powered plane) and there's nothing yet announced by Boeing to replace the 737. That does feel weird.
Boeing really dominated only from the 1960's to the 1990's (it was rather Douglas before that), and that was at a time when the US civil aviation market represented a gigantic share of the global market.Boeing dominated the industry globally for something like 60 years. And that included when the USSR was funding their industry as a matter of national prestige. Fact is, if it were not for the support of national governments for Airbus, Boeing would be the only maker of large airliners left in the world.
Nobody really knew how deep of a hole Boeing had dug for themselves. It was hidden behind the company's success.
60 years? mmm, no. I would say Boeing dominated 30-35 years from 1965 to 1995 basically. The first 5 years in the 60s there were other contenders that were there first, (de Havilland mostly), and before 1960 Boeing didn't even exist in the jet airliner industry. After 1995 Boeing was still leading but with Airbus closing distances, and since the early 2000s Airbus has been beating Boeing regularly.Boeing dominated the industry globally for something like 60 years. And that included when the USSR was funding their industry as a matter of national prestige. Fact is, if it were not for the support of national governments for Airbus, Boeing would be the only maker of large airliners left in the world.
Nobody really knew how deep of a hole Boeing had dug for themselves. It was hidden behind the company's success.
Good post, no other summaries on this need to be read by people using this thread.Boeing really dominated only from the 1960's to the 1990's (it was rather Douglas before that), and that was at a time when the US civil aviation market represented a gigantic share of the global market.
Yet from an engineering point of view, Europeans never really lagged behind when it goes about civil aviation. The British-made de Havilland Comet was the first jetliner (1949). It had some flaws but those were corrected with the French-made Caravelle (1955). The first US jet airliners (Douglas DC-8 and Boeing 707) will only come later, but they will dwaf Europeans thanks to the huge US market. The US did have good engineers in civil aviation at the time, don't misinterpret me. The 747 was particularly impressive. Yet Europeans were still able to release the Concorde and later the Airbus A300, the first twin-engine widebody aircraft. Even if they didn't have the same commercial success as Boeing and McDonnell-Douglas, they were still there.
The same cannot be said at all when it goes about military aviation: the US clearly dominate the Europeans both technologically and commercially since world war 2. Europe still has the Eurofighter and the Rafale, but they are really far behind.