Tobiyogi
King
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Hello Civfanatics,
even though good players can rock a map with any leader and civilization, there are also preferences and in my case it is... China! Let me explain why:
It all began with the Cho-Ko-Nu (CKN). You might have noticed that even strong and fortified units lose a lot of their good odds when they are wounded. And that's what CKN provide, they damage all the units in the stack even if they die (for comparaison: mounted units do flanking damage only to siege and only after a won fight and other than catapults, CKN are also strong in the open). Here it becomes even possible to take hill cities with nothing else than CKN, because both leaders are Protective and you can promote “cover” with only Barracks. After the city conquest you give one of your units CG II and you are quite safe against counter-attacks.
In that case, Protective is a good trait and besides Churchill, the Chinese are the only ones whose UU benefits from that.
The second trait (Qin = IND and Mao = EXP) is good as well, but I will only speak about Expansive as we are playing Mao this time.
Our starting techs (Agri/Mining) cry in the most cases for a quick worker, so EXP will help with that. On that Ice Age map, there are quite a few plains-hills so it can be a decent strategy to build worker first not only in your capitol. Besides that, the saved turns from that bonus are even more remarkable on epic/marathon speed. Quick granaries are never wrong, with EXP you can 1-pop-whip a granary with only a few hammers put into it. The extra health is more significant in the late game and maybe on jungle/desert maps.
Good traits, very good starting techs, an intriguing UU, and what about the UB? The pavilion is a theater with an extra 25% bonus on all generated culture. It is not only designed for cultural victories as it helps to push back foreign culture in captured cities. Useful in different cases but surely not game-breaking.
The starting position:
The map is completely uncooked (only regenerated 3 times).
The game settings are:
The overall idea is to start on a map that is okay, but not really great, where we can mess with someone and can bulb our way towards Machinery. If we happen to make contact with further civilizations, we can trade key techs with them without being worried they would give it to everyone. For a quick machinery, there are three paths:
In a way, it is a “cooked” mapscript, because we know what we want and more or less how to get there. So you could be tempted not to play the map but rather your concept of the map. On the other hand, that doesn't always work and I also appreciate when being surprised. It is still Immortal level and things can turn out differently.
Good luck to everyone! You can post your intermediate results here, but it is not designed as a Shadow game.
Hello Civfanatics,
even though good players can rock a map with any leader and civilization, there are also preferences and in my case it is... China! Let me explain why:
It all began with the Cho-Ko-Nu (CKN). You might have noticed that even strong and fortified units lose a lot of their good odds when they are wounded. And that's what CKN provide, they damage all the units in the stack even if they die (for comparaison: mounted units do flanking damage only to siege and only after a won fight and other than catapults, CKN are also strong in the open). Here it becomes even possible to take hill cities with nothing else than CKN, because both leaders are Protective and you can promote “cover” with only Barracks. After the city conquest you give one of your units CG II and you are quite safe against counter-attacks.
In that case, Protective is a good trait and besides Churchill, the Chinese are the only ones whose UU benefits from that.
The second trait (Qin = IND and Mao = EXP) is good as well, but I will only speak about Expansive as we are playing Mao this time.
Our starting techs (Agri/Mining) cry in the most cases for a quick worker, so EXP will help with that. On that Ice Age map, there are quite a few plains-hills so it can be a decent strategy to build worker first not only in your capitol. Besides that, the saved turns from that bonus are even more remarkable on epic/marathon speed. Quick granaries are never wrong, with EXP you can 1-pop-whip a granary with only a few hammers put into it. The extra health is more significant in the late game and maybe on jungle/desert maps.
Good traits, very good starting techs, an intriguing UU, and what about the UB? The pavilion is a theater with an extra 25% bonus on all generated culture. It is not only designed for cultural victories as it helps to push back foreign culture in captured cities. Useful in different cases but surely not game-breaking.
The starting position:
The map is completely uncooked (only regenerated 3 times).
Spoiler A short look into the WB :
The game settings are:
- Large map with 8 opponents
- Immortal difficulty, epic speed
- Ice Age with medium sea level (and a lot of “medium quality” land)
- Narrow continents (certainly not a Pangea, that would be too easy)
- No trade brokering (you can trade only techs you have completed on your own)
- Require complete kills (“Last man/fishing boat standing”)
- No huts/ no events
The overall idea is to start on a map that is okay, but not really great, where we can mess with someone and can bulb our way towards Machinery. If we happen to make contact with further civilizations, we can trade key techs with them without being worried they would give it to everyone. For a quick machinery, there are three paths:
- Oracle Metal casting, build a forge in a city that does not generate the Prophet and wait for the GE to bulb the biggest part of Machinery (Qin is the better leader for that). With only one slot, it takes time to generate a GP though.
- Avoid fishing, sailing, calender and try to grab two GS as early as possible. As soon as you have Alpha, Math, Asthetics and IW, you can double bulb MC and Machinery. For earlier scientists, you could build GL or Parthenon. If I don't have marble, I usually hire 2 scientists and 1 engineer in the second city to speed up. The GE will also be useful.
- Simply researching, but this will only work out if you have gold or gems, at least early cottages, good trading partners, early Academy, etc.
In a way, it is a “cooked” mapscript, because we know what we want and more or less how to get there. So you could be tempted not to play the map but rather your concept of the map. On the other hand, that doesn't always work and I also appreciate when being surprised. It is still Immortal level and things can turn out differently.
Good luck to everyone! You can post your intermediate results here, but it is not designed as a Shadow game.
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