The Reaction

[MamboJoel]

Democrats have their activists, Republicans have their reactionists. Supporters of both sides can be harmful to their own party. It's pretty common to feel ashamed when listening to some ridiculous words from people actually voting like us.

This video is biased in the way that it has chosen words comming from a republican crowd before the meeting in Pennsylvania:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itEucdhf4Us

How do people voting for McCain react towards this piece of graceful intelligence, "Go home", "Commie fagget", "Go get a job", "Go to Russia", "European socialists"?

 

[Arwon]

Yuropeeen soshalist!

Wow, that's a lot of white people.

 

[El_Machinae]

This is stupid. Obama and McCain basically agree on 99% of the issues. But people hate each other for the 1% differences. Yuck.

 

[RoboPig]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itEucdhf4Us

How do people voting for McCain react towards this piece of graceful intelligence, "Go home", "Commie fagget", "Go get a job", "Go to Russia", "European socialists"?

The people on the sidewalk weren't McCain supporters! They were the evil Moslem (and therefore, terrorist) supporters of Barama posing as innocent republicans! Everything is false! We need a maverick in the White House to stop this from happening again!

 

[flyingchicken]

Barama

Why not Hussein?

 

[Elrohir]

Don't have sound, so I can't watch the video. Stupid library.

This is stupid. Obama and McCain basically agree on 99% of the issues. But people hate each other for the 1% differences. Yuck.

99% is a gross exaggeration. They disagree pretty fundamentally on abortion, gun control, foreign policy, tax plans, energy policy....unless you're seriously suggesting that all those things are 1% of the issues.

 

[El_Machinae]

I think that on any of those issues, they mostly agree with each other. It's just at the finer points where they disagree. There have been vastly different policies on each of those issues in history, and when viewed against those policies: they're quite similar to each other.

99% is a bit of an exaggeration, but their stances are not so diverse that the other candidate is 'evil'.

 

[Elrohir]

I think that on any of those issues, they mostly agree with each other. It's just at the finer points where they disagree.

99% is a bit of an exaggeration, but their stances are not so diverse that the other candidate is 'evil'.

I disagree. There's a pretty fundamental difference between, say, "Abortions should only be allowed to save the life of the mother, or in cases of incest/rape" and "abortions should be allowed at any time for any reason, and paid for by taxpayer dollars if you don't have enough money."

And I didn't say Obama is evil. Just a really really terrible choice. (As opposed to John McCain, who is just terrible)

 

[El_Machinae]

I disagree. There's a pretty fundamental difference between, say, "Abortions should only be allowed to save the life of the mother, or in cases of incest/rape" and "abortions should be allowed at any time for any reason, and paid for by taxpayer dollars if you don't have enough money."

Right, but neither of them are calling for the imprisonment of aborting mothers. Neither of them are stating that we should be allowed to kill the babies of our national enemies. Both of them think that orphans should be fed and clothed. Both of them think that encouraging pregnancy-prevention is fine. Both of them want the number of abortions to go down.

On abortion, they're more similiar to each other than they are to the more 'extreme' participants in the debate.





All that aside, yes, on abortion their public policies are dissimilar: especially when compared to the rest of your list. But, even with that, neither candidate deserves the ignorant hatred displayed in the video. And America doesn't deserve that partisanship.

 

[Elrohir]

Right, but neither of them are calling for the imprisonment of aborting mothers. Neither of them are stating that we should be allowed to kill the babies of our national enemies. Both of them think that orphans should be fed and clothed. Both of them think that encouraging pregnancy-prevention is fine. Both of them want the number of abortions to go down.

On abortion, they're more similiar to each other than they are to the more 'extreme' participants in the debate.

You're bringing in separate issues (how to treat children after they're born) in order to show more common ground, when there really isn't any.

And quite honestly, I'm not sure there are really that many people more extreme on this issue than Obama. On other issues, certainly, but not here.

All that aside, yes, on abortion their public policies are dissimilar: especially when compared to the rest of your list. But, even with that, neither candidate deserves the ignorant hatred displayed in the video. And America doesn't deserve that partisanship

We get what we deserve. At this point, we're screwed - what we have to decide is whether we're going to take it, or whether we're going to make it worse and get really screwed.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Are these the patriots we hear so much about?

 

[I'm Cleo!]

How long until "Commie . .. .. .. .. .. . '08" posters and T-Shirts are available online?

Cleo

 

[Elrohir]

How long until "Commie . .. .. .. .. .. . '08" posters and T-Shirts are available online?

Cleo

Probably about 2 days before the "McFascist" tshirts hit the web.

 

[El_Machinae]

You're bringing in separate issues (how to treat children after they're born) in order to show more common ground, when there really isn't any.

But there is! Especially since you think that fetuses are basically 'little children'. How one treats babies is part of this debate, since one side lumps babies into the debate.

Smidlee, Classical Hero, and Muslim Suicide Bombers have all justified the killing of babies. They've all said that it was not only okay, but good. Compared to the position, being iffy on abortion puts McCain really close to Obama. Neither of them are okay with mothers killing their babies, or killing the babies of their enemies.

On the other side, McCain supports embryonic stem cell research, just like Obama does. Hell, unlike Palin, McCain supports the right to abort in the case of rape: and probably wouldn't charge for the rape kit either.

We get what we deserve. At this point, we're screwed - what we have to decide is whether we're going to take it, or whether we're going to make it worse and get really screwed.

I think either candidate is pretty good actually. America's coming into a mess, I've been saying it for a bit. I think that both McCain and Obama have some understanding of how to pull out of that mess.

 

[Mark1031]

Well these people are certainly not elite in any way.

 

[.Shane.]

Pretty telling. I'm not sure why the right is so much more vehement. Yeah, I've seen Democrats/Obama-supporters chide McCain/Palin/Bush, but never have a been in a group where such anger/hatred was on display.

Mind you I'm talking about candidate-oriented rallies for candidates, not protests, which very often do get equally as ugly... or worse.

There is something seriously troubled in the psyche of these people.

 

[El_Machinae]

99% is a gross exaggeration. They disagree pretty fundamentally on abortion, gun control, foreign policy, tax plans, energy policy....unless you're seriously suggesting that all those things are 1% of the issues.

Back to my original point. How significantly different is your life going to be under either of them, despite their stances on these issues? Really, not all that much.

 

[Masquerouge]

What's really funny is that some people apparently believe the US has the full political spectrum represented in this election, from Obama the communist to McCain the fascist

But hey, sounds like your average sports fan...

 

[Mark1031]

Pretty telling. I'm not sure why the right is so much more vehement.

You Don't. You should listen to the radio sometime. If you look at Republican campaigns starting with Nixon they have been based on resentment and fear and racism. With the current talk radio crowd this is overt while the candidates take a more mild tone and feign outrage if called on it. You think this doesn;t affect people?

 

[I'm Cleo!]

It appears pretty unlikely at this point that McCain is going to win the election. He must know this. His ground game is apparently non-existent, he's in danger of losing Indiana for the first time since LBJ, &c.

What good will it do to stoke these fires? There's a pretty good chance that we're going to end up with an Obama presidency while a substantial portion of the population thinks that he's a traitor or a terrorist. This is phenomenally irresponsible. If McCain came out and said, "Listen, my friends: Barack Obama and I disagree vehemently on the issues, but he's not a terrorist and he's not a traitor," he would lose the support of his base, who want to vote against the Other.

I wonder if this will also cost him some votes. Will people be turned off? Will people say, "I don't want to vote with those people," i.e., people who scream "traitor!" and "kill him!" at political rallies? LBJ used this fear effectively against Barry Goldwater in 1964 by painting him as someone supported by right-wing radicals. I could see the same thing happening again, if everyone keeps talking about these rallies. Middle of the road people consider themselves middle of the road -- I think they could be turned off by this.

Cleo