Hygro
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Gael, I would agree with that statement, but I won't (well I do, but I wanted to make a joke outa the whole 'I would agree/argue that'--and I always wanted to say, "well why don;t you then!" err nevermind)
The Mughals were no Mongols; they appeared quite awhile after the pure Mongol ruling houses in the region collapsed or converted to Islam. They're more like Muslims fr Afghanistan and Central Asia. They probably had some Mongol stock, but they're not the same as the Mongols of GK's time.Originally posted by Hygro
Well, the Mughals were indeed Mongols, as Mughal was Persian for Mongol, however they probably took their time getting to India as when they got there they were pretty serios Muslims, no?
It's knid of convient that I'm studying India right now
India is no China; in terms of unity of people, imperial power projection, cultural unity, singleness of national purpose etc. China may be the younger nation, but it had a longer history as a united imperial power with some force projection into the surrounding areas.Originally posted by allhailIndia
While everybody has included China in their top five, I wonder how they could have missed India in there. Despite the fact that we have been invaded by so many different conquerors of different cultures, we have managed to assimilate almost everyone of them into our culture.
India is a culturally very diverse land, despite the Hindu majority. Whole lots of different peoples like Rajputs, Sikhs, Tamils, Bengalis, the tribal peoples etc etc. Lots of religions and local beliefs, thru millenia of local separate development. Lots of different ethnic peoples too.Originally posted by Hygro
India has been united with Hinduism and, more significantly, its caste system, which was very widespread. Though my text I am learning from is from 1996, it states that the caste is still alive today (though not quite to the strength it used to be). The people were united, even if the lands were not.
Originally posted by XIII
India is a culturally very diverse land, despite the Hindu majority. Whole lots of different peoples like Rajputs, Sikhs, Tamils, Bengalis, the tribal peoples etc etc. Lots of religions and local beliefs, thru millenia of local separate development. Lots of different ethnic peoples too.
The caste system is only one facet of it, and only involves Hindus.
The N Indians are markedly different fr the Tamils at least, I think. And the tribal peoples even more still - they practised animism IIRC.Originally posted by allhailIndia
The various "different" people you are referring to are mainly linguistic divisions, i.e, they were still Hindus, had pretty much the same way of life and thinking, but were ruled by different rulers.
The Chinese have something better and more concrete than mere culture - a political ideology which united the intellectual elite of the empire. And a belief in education as means for elevation in social status (the scholar exams were open to all).In fact, our culture, like China's has remained pretty much the same from what it was 4000 years ago, but has been able to incorporate ideas and beliefs of other cultures as well.
We can conjecture all we want - Alexander could have marched to China had he the time and opporunity. But the fact remains that the reason the Brits could move in was 'cause the Indians had never been united enough to confront them effectively.In fact, the British took over during a transition period, when the Mughals were very weak and the Marathas, who would have no doubt gone on to unify India had they had the time and opportunity, (they managed to unify southern and central India), were on the ascendancy but defeated by the lack if unity aming the princely states.
Originally posted by XIII
The N Indians are markedly different fr the Tamils at least, I think. And the tribal peoples even more still - they practised animism IIRC.
Isn't a political ideology a thought which has evolved from your culture??Originally posted by XIII
The Chinese have something better and more concrete than mere culture - a political ideology which united the intellectual elite of the empire. And a belief in education as means for elevation in social status (the scholar exams were open to all).
Originally posted by XIII
We can conjecture all we want - Alexander could have marched to China had he the time and opporunity. But the fact remains that the reason the Brits could move in was 'cause the Indians had never been united enough to confront them effectively.
I doubt the Hindu subjects of the Muslim Mughal conquerors were so eager to defend their foreign rulers.