Who should represent the Native Americans in civ 6?

[ubergeneral]

Civ 1: Iroquios
Civ 2: Sioux
Civ 3: Iroquios
Civ 4: Blob civ
Civ 5: Iroquios
Civ 6: ???

for this poll assume that the Aztecs, Inca, Mayans and Inuit are already in.

 

[Monado]

The Shoshone were also in 5.

I doubt we'll ever see the Pueblo, for the same reasons they got axed in 5...especially now with caricatured leader images.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=491586
(old thread for reference)

EDIT: One of my preferences is that we don't see the blob civ ever again. Also, it would be interesting if they included a NA civ that built totem poles, as it would be a fun aesthetic design on the map. (Though I don't know much about any of the northwest tribes that constructed them.

 

[Cerilis]

Whats a blob civ? And by that pattern I'd guess Sioux.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I would like to see the Haida, the Shawnee, or the Comanche (pared down from the Shoshone). The Haida could be coastal Raiders with a cultural side. The Shawnee could tie religion and diplomacy together. And the Comanche could be Plains raiders.

 

[Monado]

Whats a blob civ? And by that pattern I'd guess Sioux.

In civ 4 the civ was actually just called "Native Americans" and represented them as a whole instead of picking a specific group.

 

[ldvhl]

Except "the Pueblo" just describes multiple peoples who live in similar styles of dwellings. There's multiple cultural and linguistic groups that could be included and not succumbing to the problem of blob civ design.

North America (assuming we're focusing on those "Native Americans") have multiple regional groups that should be included - the Northeast, Southeast, Mississippian successors, Great Plains, Southwest, Great Basin, Plateau, Pacific Northwest, California, and Subarctic. And each of these groups have a dozen+ potential civs that could be represented in-game.

 

[Zaarin]

I'd be surprised if the Inuit are in (the devs have previously cited lack of great leader), but they're also not Native American.

I'd like to see a PNW civ: Tlingit, Tsimshian, Haida, Kwakwaka'wakw, etc. Barring that, I'd still like to see someone new rather than the Iroquois or Sioux: Cherokee, Creek, Cree, Navajo, Powhatan (but dear sweet mercy please don't give us Pocahontas as the great leader), Huron, Calusa...

 

[JtW]

I would like to see the Powhatan or the Mississippian mound builders.

 

[Krajzen]

Cherokee.

1) One of the biggest and best known Native American tribes - popculture
2) One of the most important and impressive NA tribes - significance
3) Quite distinctive: technological adaptiveness (they were first NA tribe to have their own newspaper, resisted Europeans for a long time and survived to this day as one of the most numerous NA tribes)
4) Fresh - not yet seen in the game.

Though I am personally very fond of Iroquis, so no problem with them instead. Hurons could be fine too.

I'd gladly see Pueblo/Navajo in as they were impressive indeed, the problem is, firaxis already attempted to add them in BNW but tribes didn't agree to be depicted in a video game

I just don't wanna to see such atrocities as Pocahontas or horrible joint "Native American" civ of civ4. I also think Sioux are a bit overrated, similarly to Zulu.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Cahokia, the mound builders would be great. If you want to go southwest, forget the pueblos, and go back to their ancestors the Anasazi of Chaco.

 

[ToothedBomb]

I hope we get at least two civs again. I'm not too knowledgable about native American tribes, but maybe Apache would be cool. I agree some coastal tribes could be interesting as well.

 

[ehecatzin]

No Blob Civ please.

I didnt vote, I don't think just one civ can "represent" for all natives, there's quite a few that can make it on their own.

-Iroquois
-Shoshone/Comanche
-Cherokee
-Haida

 

[True_Candyman]

Cahokia, the mound builders would be great. If you want to go southwest, forget the pueblos, and go back to their ancestors the Anasazi of Chaco.

How to make friends with a group of people who don't wan to be represented and value ancestor worship.

Step 1: Represent their ancestors..

Anasazi, pueblo, or any derivation of them will not be in civ till our fellow fanatics have spread their claws into the hierarchies of their community. It's a shame, they'd be awesome.

Cahokia could be even better though, and I vote for them. The cree, Cherokee, Iroquois, etc are all empires past their peak anyway, having begun to suffer through chronic disease and population loss. They did not reach the kind of specialised organised society Cahokia had prior to European contact. Adding them over Cahokia is the height of Eurocentric hypocracy by placing increased value on a civ for having interacted with Europeans.

 

[altayrneto]

I voted for the Iroquois, but with all this TSL history, I think that the Cherokee or the Sioux are more probable... Anyway, I would like them!

 

[Amrunril]

No Blob Civ please.

I didnt vote, I don't think just one civ can "represent" for all natives, there's quite a few that can make it on their own.

-Iroquois
-Shoshone/Comanche
-Cherokee
-Haida

I agree, no one asks civ should represent "the Europeans" or "the Middle Easterners". Allowing for only one Native American civ is at odds both with Civ history (even if you count Meso-American civs separately, Civ V had both the Iroquois and the Shoshone) and with actual historical and cultural distinctions.

I'd be most interested to see the Haida and Lakota (Sioux), primarily because they weren't in Civ V, but I'd be surprised if the Iroquois don't make a reappearance at some point, and there's no shortage of other potentially interesting options.

 

[wilcoxchar]

I think good options that haven't been used yet would be either the Shawnee with Tecumseh as their leader or perhaps the Ottawa or other way to use Pontiac as a leader. I'd really like to see either the Shawnee or the Cherokee in.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I think good options that haven't been used yet would be either the Shawnee with Tecumseh as their leader or perhaps the Ottawa or other way to use Pontiac as a leader. I'd really like to see either the Shawnee or the Cherokee in.

Tecumseh and his brother Prophet would be a cool double leader. Red Sticks could be the UU and they could have a bonus for having city-state allies during war.

 

[askia53]

I voted, Chinook, although I considered Cahokia too. Chinook would work more for TSL and I think would be really interesting, but on the other hand, I have been to the Cahokia mounds in Illinois and they are incredible. Both would be great. Also, I'll put a plug in for Ute. They aren't the most well known, but they would work well for TSL.

 

[Zaarin]

I don't foresee the inclusion of the Mississippians/Cahokians. Why? Because they were already on sharp decline by the time the first Spaniards moved through the area and were gone by the time the Spaniards got back. We don't know enough about them to make them a viable civilization; it would be like trying to include the Halstatt culture as a civilization. Now, one of the Mississippians descendants like the Cherokee, Chickasaw, Creek, or Natchez could work.

 

[Birdjaguar]

How to make friends with a group of people who don't wan to be represented and value ancestor worship.

Step 1: Represent their ancestors..

Anasazi, pueblo, or any derivation of them will not be in civ till our fellow fanatics have spread their claws into the hierarchies of their community. It's a shame, they'd be awesome.

Cahokia could be even better though, and I vote for them. The cree, Cherokee, Iroquois, etc are all empires past their peak anyway, having begun to suffer through chronic disease and population loss. They did not reach the kind of specialised organised society Cahokia had prior to European contact. Adding them over Cahokia is the height of Eurocentric hypocracy by placing increased value on a civ for having interacted with Europeans.

I am not sure what you meant by this (bolded part), but I live in New Mexico and have a pretty good understanding of the pueblos and their culture. All the rest I agree with completely.