bcaiko
Emperor
Hey folks -
A couple of situations I've run into with the World Congress have caused some irks for me, and I thought I'd share.
1. Buying a Civ's votes doesn't mean you buy all their votes. Or even prevent that Civ from voting against it, too.
In one game, I bribed Babylon to vote to establish mine as the World Religion. At the time, I even made it in his interest; I'd recently converted his cities to my religion and he hadn't founded one of his own. Nebbie committed his votes to me. Unfortunately, Russia, the game's runaway, converted Babylon's cities to her religion right before the vote and I wasn't in a position to respond quickly.
I poured my votes in the World Religion vote to gain ground against Russia, confident that between my votes and Babylon's, it would barely pass. And it would have...except Babylon voted 2 votes Yay and voted 2 votes Nay, as well! (He had two more votes that went to the other proposal.) Needless to say, I was both aggravated and confused.
2. A diplomat doesn't allow you to discuss how YOU are planning to vote in the World Congress.
In my latest game, I barely failed to found the World Congress, and neither proposal made by the host or Austria were going to effect/interest me much. Austria's proposal was to embargo the Ottomans, who I'd just met and likely wouldn't have any interaction with. I saw an opportunity to offer/sell my assistance.
So I established a diplomat...only to find I couldn't discuss my vote in the World Congress without the Ottomans establishing a diplomat in my capital. How does this make sense? Why do I need to rely on the Ottomans placing a diplomat to make a vote exchange? Surely my Diplomat is capable enough to know and discuss how I'm going to vote. It's counter-intuitive and immersion shattering.
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I generally like the World Congress, but some of its implementation is irksome. (Another thread on these forums discuss how the city-states being brought in and the vote for the new host comes out of nowhere and with no warning, another sore point for me.) Since I encountered these situations unexpectedly, I thought I'd share.
Anyone run into a similar situation? What are your thoughts?
A couple of situations I've run into with the World Congress have caused some irks for me, and I thought I'd share.
1. Buying a Civ's votes doesn't mean you buy all their votes. Or even prevent that Civ from voting against it, too.
In one game, I bribed Babylon to vote to establish mine as the World Religion. At the time, I even made it in his interest; I'd recently converted his cities to my religion and he hadn't founded one of his own. Nebbie committed his votes to me. Unfortunately, Russia, the game's runaway, converted Babylon's cities to her religion right before the vote and I wasn't in a position to respond quickly.
I poured my votes in the World Religion vote to gain ground against Russia, confident that between my votes and Babylon's, it would barely pass. And it would have...except Babylon voted 2 votes Yay and voted 2 votes Nay, as well! (He had two more votes that went to the other proposal.) Needless to say, I was both aggravated and confused.
2. A diplomat doesn't allow you to discuss how YOU are planning to vote in the World Congress.
In my latest game, I barely failed to found the World Congress, and neither proposal made by the host or Austria were going to effect/interest me much. Austria's proposal was to embargo the Ottomans, who I'd just met and likely wouldn't have any interaction with. I saw an opportunity to offer/sell my assistance.
So I established a diplomat...only to find I couldn't discuss my vote in the World Congress without the Ottomans establishing a diplomat in my capital. How does this make sense? Why do I need to rely on the Ottomans placing a diplomat to make a vote exchange? Surely my Diplomat is capable enough to know and discuss how I'm going to vote. It's counter-intuitive and immersion shattering.
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I generally like the World Congress, but some of its implementation is irksome. (Another thread on these forums discuss how the city-states being brought in and the vote for the new host comes out of nowhere and with no warning, another sore point for me.) Since I encountered these situations unexpectedly, I thought I'd share.
Anyone run into a similar situation? What are your thoughts?