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I'm playing Songhai on immortal and I just built the Great Library. it was after turn 50. Washington, Japan, and Spain are on the map. They are not great thinkers.
Sometimes you can get it that late. Sometimes you can it that late even on deity. Whether trying for it is worth it is another question.I'm playing Songhai on immortal and I just built the Great Library. it was after turn 50. Washington, Japan, and Spain are on the map. They are not great thinkers.
Yep.Sorry for the noobish question, but we are talking standard game pace and map size, right?
Yes you do. Initially wats didn't require libraries but that was patched a long time ago.I haven't done it before, but do you have to actually have Libraries to get the free Wats from Legalism? I haven't actually tried that without the Libraries before so I don't know if they actually a requisite or not. If so that makes this an even stronger start for Siam.
Once you hit ~200 you need to sell 5gpt to the richest AI for 112 and rush buy a worker around turn 15.
Philosophy is pretty cheap anyways, that's why it's not worth the money on higher difficulties. Too many sacrifices for too little revenue.
I don't agree. Of course, it is cheap if you look on needed to research, but at that time your bpt is also very low. If you want to go directly Pottery -> Writing -> Calendar -> Philosophy to get NC as fast as possible, Philosophy would be one of the most expensive (in turns) tech to research in game. With GL you can get NC faster than without (+ additional techs researched in the meantime). However, I agree that on higher difficulties it is not worth of effort, but only because there is high probability that this effort will be fruitless.On lower levels delaying it is even advisable to get a more expensive tech. Philosophy is pretty cheap anyways,
GL obsession is never gonna fade. My enthusiasm, on the other hand, is. But from time to time I get inspired.And that is a great summary, my friend.
Game progress isn't linear. The fact you research Philosophy, let's say, in 16 turns, doesn't mean you speed up your finish by 16 turns if you bulb it. It's not as much as what you get through GL, but more what you don't get by building it. You are likely to finish NC sooner with 2 Liberty cities but launch the spaceship sooner with 4 cities Tradition start. Early hammers are more important than early beakers. And while on lower difficulties you can afford spending them on something other than the most urgent things like workers, settlers, granaries and archers, on imm+ you just can't. AI starts with workers, settlers, extra military, scouts and huge bonuses. In order to catch up you need your infrastructure up and running asap. NC is very important, but delaying it for few and even dozen of turns is not critical if you're expanding. Delaying improving your land, settling additional cities, building granaries and defensive force is. Thus even if we take a hypothetical situation where we're guaranteed to get GL on these levels, I won't automatically go for it. Only if the start is suitable, because wasting lots of turns this early on wonder isn't worth it.I don't agree. Of course, it is cheap if you look on needed to research, but at that time your bpt is also very low. If you want to go directly Pottery -> Writing -> Calendar -> Philosophy to get NC as fast as possible, Philosophy would be one of the most expensive (in turns) tech to research in game. With GL you can get NC faster than without (+ additional techs researched in the meantime). However, I agree that on higher difficulties it is not worth of effort, but only because there is high probability that this effort will be fruitless.
Are you talking about CV or in general?Drama & Poetry is the prize for the GL. Free amphitheatre and an artist slot. But if I am babylon, I tech to D&P after the academy is in.
What's the rush?
On lower levels delaying it is even advisable to get a more expensive tech. Philosophy is pretty cheap anyways, that's why it's not worth the money on higher difficulties. Too many sacrifices for too little revenue.
Turn 35-40 on average sounds too fast for Emperor. That's more of the Immortal range for AI GL.
On Immortal GL is gone around turn 35-50, but most frequently around 40-45. Sometimes crazy people (usually Egypt or Siam) will build it super fast. Sometimes due to the lack of insanity it won't be taken until Turn 50+.
What's the rush?
On lower levels delaying it is even advisable to get a more expensive tech. Philosophy is pretty cheap anyways, that's why it's not worth the money on higher difficulties. Too many sacrifices for too little revenue.