MantaRevan
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I was playing the Zulu yesterday, trying to get my first BNW domination win, but I don't think I'll be trying again.
I only had control of 3 of the capitals(including my own) when every civ the the game seemed forced to denounce me. Even the civs that I had DoFs with denounced me. This was irritating, but I was used to it, especially in BNW where the warmonger penalty ramps up much faster.
Less than 5 turns later literally every other civilization in the game declares war on me. This is 7 entire civilizations. Even Genghis Khan, who has a military dwarfed by mine that I left with one crappy city I couldn't be bothered to take attacks me. When Nebuchadnezzar attacks me, he specifically mentions that he doesn't really have any good reason to attack a world power much stronger than him.
Now I've lost all of my trade routes, at least 750 gold I put into research agreements, all of the gold I was getting from selling luxuries, and all of the happiness I was getting from selling luxuries.
This is just ridiculous. The warmonger penalty with G&K felt balanced, even if there was that weird 1 city exploit. In BNW did they really feel it necessary to add automatic chain DoWs to the penalty?
If they were going to do this, they should have triggered the realm divide until most players would actually be capable of handling it(1 or 2 capitals left, for example). I still have 5 left to grab and there's no way I can finish the game in constant war with everyone else. Or they could have at least made it a WC resolution or something. That way I could get some advanced warning and fight against it, rather than knowing less than 5 turns before when everyone denounces me.
In theory, all of the victory types in the game should be about as valid. In BNW it feels like the game is taking a stance against domination victories.
I only had control of 3 of the capitals(including my own) when every civ the the game seemed forced to denounce me. Even the civs that I had DoFs with denounced me. This was irritating, but I was used to it, especially in BNW where the warmonger penalty ramps up much faster.
Less than 5 turns later literally every other civilization in the game declares war on me. This is 7 entire civilizations. Even Genghis Khan, who has a military dwarfed by mine that I left with one crappy city I couldn't be bothered to take attacks me. When Nebuchadnezzar attacks me, he specifically mentions that he doesn't really have any good reason to attack a world power much stronger than him.
Now I've lost all of my trade routes, at least 750 gold I put into research agreements, all of the gold I was getting from selling luxuries, and all of the happiness I was getting from selling luxuries.
This is just ridiculous. The warmonger penalty with G&K felt balanced, even if there was that weird 1 city exploit. In BNW did they really feel it necessary to add automatic chain DoWs to the penalty?
If they were going to do this, they should have triggered the realm divide until most players would actually be capable of handling it(1 or 2 capitals left, for example). I still have 5 left to grab and there's no way I can finish the game in constant war with everyone else. Or they could have at least made it a WC resolution or something. That way I could get some advanced warning and fight against it, rather than knowing less than 5 turns before when everyone denounces me.
In theory, all of the victory types in the game should be about as valid. In BNW it feels like the game is taking a stance against domination victories.