Yea, but my point is that they don't let you get to the point of being a strong wide civ. They freak the hell out when you are going wide without realizing how gimped you are by going wide in the first place. It takes time to get strong as a wide player but they feel so threatened by the player when in fact in most circumstances in the games I play, I only have as many cities or less as the ai and an average of 4 less pop. per city and 5+ techs less than the leader, half the army, etc, etc. In my games they act like I'm the run away when I instead have a fragile wide civ- but you are aggressively settling cities. You must die. That's what annoys me. If I was actually strong enough to tag team it would make an interesting game but they just crush me into the dirt when I'm up to my 7th or so city, which I have to make huge sacrifices to get to that point in the first place.
If I were playing tall cultural or science the AI is like like yaaay I love this peace, we'll continue to allow you to breed like rabbits in your tokyoesque megacities and let's trade and give each other research agreements because this way I got to get all the land although you are running away with the game through a science victory. lol.