SGOTM 23 - Phoenix Rising

[BornInCantaloup]

St Pete has only one fish in first ring. 2 more and wheat in 2nd. We want to whip a library there asap, with OR bonus.

Riiiight ! That's a good argument !

Perhaps Yaroslavl is better off simply getting workers the next few centuries. Then it won't need a barracks either and not having religion makes 0 difference (no OR boost for workers). Im fine with spreading to St. Pete.

Chaining workers in Yaroslav is, actually, very appealing. We could get 5+ Workers in the area and still have a use for them. Maybe the city can complete the odd unit here and there (doesn't need Barracks to do so).

Are we reinforcing our Russian stack fast enough ?
That would leave Cologne (not ready) and Hamburg (almost) as dedicated Eastern military cities. Yar building a few unpromotees seems really fine.

 

[BornInCantaloup]

Are we green to play ? I'd keep you informed over the military side of things.
Or are there still issues to solve ?
I have tabs opened with the micro for wonders. No written plan otherwise (but most things in mind).

Planning to lower slider when we reach Engineering. Discover tech with minimal OF beakers. Likely we'll run a few turns of 0% science slider afterwards.

 

[Rusten]

Don't lower slider too much, we wouldn't want to delay banking (that's next right?). If some civs have hammers into HG then we should be able to trade for gold once we complete it. That would allow for some extra turns of research.

I can't think of any unresolved issues, but at this point I'm not the person to ask.

 

[BornInCantaloup]

Ok @slider.
There's benefit if we reach Feud asap. Then we can see what the trouble with KK is.

I'll wait for a GO from Elite. Gumbolt is Green.

 

[elitetroops]

Healing units:
HA 25 - Move to Moscow this turn, heal in 2
HA 9 - Move to Moscow this turn, heal in 1
30, 29 & 25 - Move to Moscow next turn, promote, heal in 1
19 & 13 - Heal in place in 1

This assumes super medic is with 19&13 this turn, in Moscow next turn.

With super medic in city in revolt, HAs should heal 2.4 strength/turn.

HA9 has one extra turn to spare. IF we think it would be a good idea to attack the mystery city next turn, then 9 could also move within range this turn as backup and into Moscow next turn to heal.

Green! GO GO GO!

 

[BornInCantaloup]

Ok, I'll open the save now and start with the scout move
Will edit this post with screenie and comments.

t101 :
Ok, I don't think we want to do it.

Spoiler :

Units set for healing.
Archer in Jerusalem sent towards Thebes/Alexandria for garrison. (?)
KK directed towards Yekat.

t102 :
Stalin is willing to negociate.
HG next turn : ok.

t103 :
KK asks that we cancel all deals with the vile Persians. Can't accept. (Silver, etc.)
Stalin is emptying Smolensk 1 unit at a time. Now a sword has left the city. Axe is on a forest 2N1E of Rostov (no roads).
Russian chariot spotted 1W of Istanbul.

Lowering the slider feels funny : about +40g/+90bpt

Chinese defences :

Spoiler :

Questions :
Mehmed / Mao war is not working : both lack OB with India and Persia. Mehmed sends his units through our territory. Mao only has OB with Stalin... Need to react ? Not reacted yet. Mehmed borders Cologne and Jerusalem.

Mehmed would make peace and give us 20g for any 2 of these 3 techs : Calendar, Monarchy and HBR.
It's about the same with Mao (a bit more expensive, maybe). We have Currency, Monarchy, HBR, MC, Poly over him.
MC and Poly are enough. Otherwise, it's 2 of Currency, Monarchy and HBR.

Maybe we should stop on this turn and ponder the Chinese situation ?
Mehmed already has Metal Casting. We can only gift him Machinery, which we shouldn't

Yes, we need to stop. Berlin doesn't match my notes. Not sure why that is. The city lacks 3F.

 

[Rusten]

I'll use this post and edit.

Is asking KK to target Yekaterinburg still fine ?

Yes.

Definitely avoid Smolensk. But at least his army is there and not in Novgorod. Maybe a good thing.

Oops : not discussed. Is it fine if Workboat from Gemmy improves the Fish for Cologne ?
Cologne has had its camp espionaged.

I agree with this.

t102 :
Stalin is willing to negociate.


Questions :
Offer cease-fire ?

I'll defer to people who have been waging the war and have a better idea, but my initial thought is to wait until we've captured Novgorod. We still have 10 or so HAs in the area. With so many units in Smolensk, Novgorod might be poorly defended.

Mehmed/Mao: Yes, probably stop China/Ottoman war. Mehmed doesn't like us though, is there any danger of a dagger on us if he signs peace with China? That would be disastrous.

 

[elitetroops]

Lol at 5 units in a pop 1 city. Ok, we don't want to attack it. But there might be a counter attack heading our way from there... Pillage road 3S of Moscow next turn? Not sure if that helps at all, maybe only slows us down later.

I'd still send workboat to Athens. Athens is much more important and we need it big asap. Cologne has workboat in 4 turns. But if you both think it's better with Cologne then...

I'd also like to take Novgorod before cease fire.

Oh wow... how did that Mehmed Mao war really start? Did we start it? Mao is now building units but can't send them out. Probably best to stop the war somehow. Our eastern scout can get vision on Beijing this turn, right?

Stalin doesn't have anything he could bribe Memed with. Mehmed dislikes almost everybody. I think the risk is very small that he would attack us.

Would we rather give Mehmed MC and hope he builds us some forges? Would MC alone work for peace?

Ok, so Mehmed got MC between turns. Maybe MC+Poly to Mao? He's not the worst enemy of anyone, at least not T101. Any downside with him getting those techs?

 

[BornInCantaloup]

Yeah, I'm uploading right now.
There are a few bad things we didn't foresee.
HG growths : 2 unhappies in Alexandria. 2 unimproved tiles worked in Jerusalem (and I took the liberty to start an archer, there...).
Probably some other things.

And Berlin needs some check up for the MoM. Either my notes were wrong (maths!!) or I messed up (despite multi-checking every turn). City misses 3 food. It's like I worked a grassland mine instead of the cows... Is that even possible ? Maybe it is...
And finally there's the Chinese/Ottoman issue.


Turn log :

Spoiler :

Here is your Session Turn Log from 350 BC to 300 BC:

Turn 101, 350 BC: The enemy has been spotted near Jerusalem!
Turn 101, 350 BC: Paris has grown to size 12.
Turn 101, 350 BC: Furry Fish has become happy.
Turn 101, 350 BC: Wheatos has grown to size 6.
Turn 101, 350 BC: Athens has grown to size 5.
Turn 101, 350 BC: Athens can hurry Aqueduct for 2⇴ with 42ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 19 turns.
Turn 101, 350 BC: Jerusalem has grown to size 4.
Turn 101, 350 BC: Hamburg has grown to size 5.
Turn 101, 350 BC: Munich has grown to size 4.
Turn 101, 350 BC: Munich can hurry Courthouse for 2⇴ with 9ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 17 turns.
Turn 101, 350 BC: Berlin has grown to size 6.
Turn 101, 350 BC: Yaroslavl' will be pacified on the next turn.
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin has 50 gold available for trade.
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin is willing to negotiate.
Turn 101, 350 BC: Gandhi is the worst enemy of Mehmed II, Saladin.
Turn 101, 350 BC: The borders of Munich are about to expand.
Turn 101, 350 BC: Will Sign Peace Treaty: Stalin
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 26 (Wheatos) (7.20) vs Stalin's Archer (4.37)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Combat Odds: 96.0%
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Extra Combat: +20%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Plot Defense: +25%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Fortify: +10%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Hills Defense: +25%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin's Archer is hit for 24 (57/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin's Archer is hit for 24 (33/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin's Archer is hit for 24 (9/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin's Archer is hit for 24 (0/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 26 (Wheatos) has defeated Stalin's Archer!
Turn 101, 350 BC: Your Horse Archer 26 (Wheatos) has destroyed a Archer!
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 10 (Orleans) (7.20) vs Stalin's Swordsman (11.10)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Combat Odds: 9.2%
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Extra Combat: +20%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Plot Defense: +65%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Combat: -25%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 10 (Orleans) is hit for 24 (76/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin's Swordsman is hit for 16 (84/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 10 (Orleans) is hit for 24 (52/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 10 (Orleans) is hit for 24 (28/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 10 (Orleans) is hit for 24 (4/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 10 (Orleans) is hit for 24 (0/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin's Swordsman has defeated Napoleon's Horse Archer 10 (Orleans)!
Turn 101, 350 BC: Your Horse Archer 10 (Orleans) has died trying to attack a Swordsman!
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 20 (Stoned Horse) (7.20) vs Stalin's Spearman (10.40)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Combat Odds: 11.2%
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Extra Combat: +20%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Plot Defense: +65%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Combat: -25%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Combat: +100%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 20 (Stoned Horse) is hit for 24 (76/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin's Spearman is hit for 16 (84/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin's Spearman is hit for 16 (68/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 20 (Stoned Horse) is hit for 24 (52/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 20 (Stoned Horse) is hit for 24 (28/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 20 (Stoned Horse) is hit for 24 (4/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 20 (Stoned Horse) is hit for 24 (0/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin's Spearman has defeated Napoleon's Horse Archer 20 (Stoned Horse)!
Turn 101, 350 BC: Your Horse Archer 20 (Stoned Horse) has died trying to attack a Spearman!
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 7 (Stoned Horse) (7.72) vs Stalin's Swordsman (9.32)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Combat Odds: 38.8%
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Extra Combat: -30%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Extra Combat: +20%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Plot Defense: +65%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Combat: -25%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 7 (Stoned Horse) is hit for 22 (77/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 7 (Stoned Horse) is hit for 22 (55/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 7 (Stoned Horse) is hit for 22 (33/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin's Swordsman is hit for 17 (67/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 7 (Stoned Horse) is hit for 22 (11/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 7 (Stoned Horse) is hit for 22 (0/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin's Swordsman has defeated Napoleon's Horse Archer 7 (Stoned Horse)!
Turn 101, 350 BC: Your Horse Archer 7 (Stoned Horse) has died trying to attack a Swordsman!
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 15 (Stoned Horse) (6.60) vs Stalin's Archer (8.10)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Combat Odds: 25.9%
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Plot Defense: +65%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Fortify: +10%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (City Defense: +70%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Hills Defense: +25%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 15 (Stoned Horse) is hit for 22 (78/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 15 (Stoned Horse) is hit for 22 (56/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 15 (Stoned Horse) is hit for 22 (34/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 15 (Stoned Horse) is hit for 22 (12/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 15 (Stoned Horse) is hit for 22 (0/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin's Archer has defeated Napoleon's Horse Archer 15 (Stoned Horse)!
Turn 101, 350 BC: Your Horse Archer 15 (Stoned Horse) has died trying to attack a Archer!
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 29 (Stoned Horse) (6.60) vs Stalin's Swordsman (8.44)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Combat Odds: 24.0%
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Extra Combat: +20%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Plot Defense: +65%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 29 (Stoned Horse) is hit for 25 (75/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin's Swordsman is hit for 15 (52/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin's Swordsman is hit for 15 (37/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 29 (Stoned Horse) is hit for 25 (50/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 29 (Stoned Horse) is hit for 25 (25/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin's Swordsman is hit for 15 (22/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin's Swordsman is hit for 15 (7/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Your Horse Archer 29 (Stoned Horse) has withdrawn from combat with a Swordsman!
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 30 (Furry Fish) (6.60) vs Stalin's Archer (8.10)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Combat Odds: 25.9%
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Plot Defense: +65%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Fortify: +10%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (City Defense: +70%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Hills Defense: +25%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin's Archer is hit for 18 (82/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 30 (Furry Fish) is hit for 22 (78/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin's Archer is hit for 18 (64/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 30 (Furry Fish) is hit for 22 (56/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin's Archer is hit for 18 (46/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin's Archer is hit for 18 (28/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin's Archer is hit for 18 (10/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin's Archer is hit for 18 (0/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 30 (Furry Fish) has defeated Stalin's Archer!
Turn 101, 350 BC: Your Horse Archer 30 (Furry Fish) has destroyed a Archer!
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 25 (Stoned Horse) (6.60) vs Stalin's Spearman (7.07)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Combat Odds: 59.9%
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Extra Combat: +20%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Plot Defense: +65%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Combat: -25%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Combat: +100%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin's Spearman is hit for 17 (51/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 25 (Stoned Horse) is hit for 22 (78/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 25 (Stoned Horse) is hit for 22 (56/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 25 (Stoned Horse) is hit for 22 (34/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin's Spearman is hit for 17 (34/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin's Spearman is hit for 17 (17/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin's Spearman is hit for 17 (0/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 25 (Stoned Horse) has defeated Stalin's Spearman!
Turn 101, 350 BC: Your Horse Archer 25 (Stoned Horse) has destroyed a Spearman!
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 28 (Furry Fish) (6.60) vs Stalin's Catapult (3.33)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Combat Odds: 99.1%
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Class Attack: -50%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin's Catapult is hit for 27 (73/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin's Catapult is hit for 27 (46/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin's Catapult is hit for 27 (19/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin's Catapult is hit for 27 (0/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 28 (Furry Fish) has defeated Stalin's Catapult!
Turn 101, 350 BC: Your Horse Archer 28 (Furry Fish) has destroyed a Catapult!
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 23 (Stoned Horse) (7.20) vs Stalin's Swordsman (0.88)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Extra Combat: +20%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Plot Defense: +65%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin's Swordsman is hit for 20 (0/100HP)
Turn 101, 350 BC: Napoleon's Horse Archer 23 (Stoned Horse) has defeated Stalin's Swordsman!
Turn 101, 350 BC: Your Horse Archer 23 (Stoned Horse) has destroyed a Swordsman!
Turn 101, 350 BC: You have captured Moscow!!!
Turn 101, 350 BC: Yaroslavl' will be pacified on the next turn.
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin refuses to talk.
Turn 101, 350 BC: You are the worst enemy of Stalin.
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin is the worst enemy of Gandhi.
Turn 101, 350 BC: Darius I is the worst enemy of Kublai Khan.
Turn 101, 350 BC: Gandhi is the worst enemy of Mehmed II, Saladin.
Turn 101, 350 BC: Mehmed II is the worst enemy of Churchill, Darius I, Mao Zedong.
Turn 101, 350 BC: The borders of Munich are about to expand.
Turn 101, 350 BC: Yaroslavl' will be pacified on the next turn.
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin refuses to talk.
Turn 101, 350 BC: You are the worst enemy of Stalin.
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stalin is the worst enemy of Gandhi.
Turn 101, 350 BC: Darius I is the worst enemy of Kublai Khan.
Turn 101, 350 BC: Gandhi is the worst enemy of Mehmed II, Saladin.
Turn 101, 350 BC: Mehmed II is the worst enemy of Churchill, Darius I, Mao Zedong.
Turn 101, 350 BC: The borders of Munich are about to expand.
Turn 101, 350 BC: Stoned Horse will grow to size 8 on the next turn.
Turn 101, 350 BC: Furry Fish will grow to size 4 on the next turn.
Turn 101, 350 BC: Thebes will grow to size 8 on the next turn.
Turn 101, 350 BC: Athens will grow to size 4 on the next turn.
Turn 101, 350 BC: Hamburg will grow to size 5 on the next turn.
Turn 101, 350 BC: Berlin will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 101, 350 BC: You have constructed a Forge in Paris. Work has now begun on a Market.
Turn 101, 350 BC: You have constructed a Forge in Stoned Horse. Work has now begun on a Horse Archer.
Turn 101, 350 BC: You have trained a Work Boat in Hamburg. Work has now begun on a Barracks.
Turn 101, 350 BC: The borders of Munich have expanded!
Turn 101, 350 BC: You have constructed a Courthouse in Munich. Work has now begun on Christian Missionary.
Turn 101, 350 BC: Mao Zedong has founded Chengdu in a distant land.

Turn 102, 325 BC: Stoned Horse has grown to size 8.
Turn 102, 325 BC: Stoned Horse can hurry Horse Archer for 1⇴ with 10ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 50 turns.
Turn 102, 325 BC: Furry Fish has grown to size 4.
Turn 102, 325 BC: Alexandria will become unhappy on the next turn.
Turn 102, 325 BC: Thebes has grown to size 8.
Turn 102, 325 BC: Athens has grown to size 4.
Turn 102, 325 BC: Gemmy can hurry Work Boat for 1⇴ with 14ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 12 turns.
Turn 102, 325 BC: Hamburg has grown to size 5.
Turn 102, 325 BC: Hamburg can hurry Barracks for 2⇴ with 22ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 20 turns.
Turn 102, 325 BC: Munich can hurry Christian Missionary for 1⇴ with 11ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 26 turns.
Turn 102, 325 BC: Berlin has grown to size 7.
Turn 102, 325 BC: Yaroslavl' has been pacified.
Turn 102, 325 BC: Rostov will be pacified on the next turn.
Turn 102, 325 BC: Moscow has become unhappy.
Turn 102, 325 BC: Stalin is willing to negotiate.
Turn 102, 325 BC: The borders of Thebes are about to expand.
Turn 102, 325 BC: The borders of Jerusalem are about to expand.
Turn 102, 325 BC: The borders of Hamburg are about to expand.
Turn 102, 325 BC: Saladin will trade Clam
Turn 102, 325 BC: Will Sign Peace Treaty: Stalin
Turn 102, 325 BC: Clearing a Forest has created 30 ℤ for Athens.
Turn 102, 325 BC: Clearing a Forest has created 16 ℤ for Athens.
Turn 102, 325 BC: You have plundered 9ℴ from the Cottage!
Turn 102, 325 BC: Paris will grow to size 13 on the next turn.
Turn 102, 325 BC: Wheatos will grow to size 5 on the next turn.
Turn 102, 325 BC: Alexandria will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 102, 325 BC: Gemmy will grow to size 3 on the next turn.
Turn 102, 325 BC: Jerusalem will grow to size 4 on the next turn.
Turn 102, 325 BC: Munich will grow to size 3 on the next turn.
Turn 102, 325 BC: Cologne will grow to size 2 on the next turn.
Turn 102, 325 BC: GoldCoast will grow to size 2 on the next turn.
Turn 102, 325 BC: You have discovered Engineering!
Turn 102, 325 BC: The borders of Thebes have expanded!
Turn 102, 325 BC: Napoleon has completed The Hanging Gardens!
Turn 102, 325 BC: The borders of Jerusalem have expanded!
Turn 102, 325 BC: The borders of Hamburg have expanded!
Turn 102, 325 BC: You have constructed a Forge in Berlin. Work has now begun on Mausoleum of Maussollos.

Turn 103, 300 BC: The enemy has been spotted near Rostov!
Turn 103, 300 BC: Paris has grown to size 14.
Turn 103, 300 BC: Stoned Horse has grown to size 9.
Turn 103, 300 BC: Stoned Horse can hurry Maceman for 2⇴ with 40ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 49 turns.
Turn 103, 300 BC: Furry Fish has grown to size 5.
Turn 103, 300 BC: Furry Fish can hurry Maceman for 2⇴ with 25ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 43 turns.
Turn 103, 300 BC: Wheatos has grown to size 6.
Turn 103, 300 BC: Wheatos can hurry Maceman for 2⇴ with 13ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 50 turns.
Turn 103, 300 BC: Alexandria has grown to size 8.
Turn 103, 300 BC: Alexandria has become unhappy.
Turn 103, 300 BC: Thebes has grown to size 9.
Turn 103, 300 BC: Athens has grown to size 5.
Turn 103, 300 BC: Gemmy has grown to size 3.
Turn 103, 300 BC: Jerusalem has grown to size 5.
Turn 103, 300 BC: Jerusalem can hurry Archer for 1⇴ with 25ℤ overflow, 6ℴ added to the treasury, and +1⇤ for 24 turns.
Turn 103, 300 BC: Hamburg has grown to size 6.
Turn 103, 300 BC: Munich has grown to size 4.
Turn 103, 300 BC: Cologne has grown to size 2.
Turn 103, 300 BC: Cologne can hurry Work Boat for 1⇴ with 27ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 103, 300 BC: GoldCoast has grown to size 2.
Turn 103, 300 BC: Memphis has grown to size 2.
Turn 103, 300 BC: Yaroslavl' has grown to size 5.
Turn 103, 300 BC: Yaroslavl' can hurry Archer for 1⇴ with 13ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 103, 300 BC: St. Petersburg has grown to size 10.
Turn 103, 300 BC: Rostov has been pacified.
Turn 103, 300 BC: Rostov has grown to size 4.
Turn 103, 300 BC: Moscow has grown to size 9.
Turn 103, 300 BC: Darius I has 70 gold available for trade.
Turn 103, 300 BC: Saladin won't trade Clam

 

[elitetroops]

Live game not paused! Paused now

 

[BornInCantaloup]

Sorry. I'll do it again I thought I did. I tried to do it.

Save PAUSED and re-uploaded. Sorry, my bad. I'm getting tired.

 

[Rusten]

Whip a worker in Jerusalem.

Yaroslavl: Put a turn into worker. Archer will finish with chop next turn anyway. This way we can whip it one turn sooner. (Archer shouldn't have been started at all)

Hamburg: Surely it's worth getting a forge here with so much food. IMO whip it before completing barracks.

Rostov: Just came out of revolt, but remember to switch to granary --> whip (I assume).

Paris: Working a poor cottage now (and specialists) after growing, remember to switch tiles here.

Athens: forge -> Moai I think.

To keep track of russian units I suggest making notes as we did in beginning. For instance "Russian Axe T-X". Easier for those not playing the turns to keep track. They might venture into fog.

 

[elitetroops]

Berlin:
It's a tricky turn when HG completes. Since Athens was in our possession before Berlin, HG completes and takes effect before Berlin is processed. At that time, Berlins pop goes up, food bin grows by 2 and the new pop could have been assigned to grasshill mine for -1 food surplus. Could this be what happened?

Btw. very nice increase in score!

 

[BornInCantaloup]

Worker in Jerusalem is a nice solution to the 2 unimproved tiles, yes !

Well, the Archer in Yaroslav goes garrison St Petersburg... I'm not sure we want a Worker first.

Hamburg : yes, Forge first could make a lot of sense. (Optimal city development to be compared with army reinforcement)

Rostov : doesn't it have a granary already ?

@ MoM :
Yes, that's definitely a reason why the real game would differ from my tests !!!! It still sucks but now I feel better

@ Increase in score :
Sure ^^ That's our 19 cities Hanging Gardens for us.
It's also the mounted warfare at work. The drawback being how under-developped we are at the moment : our gold production is oh-so very low.


@ What about Alexandria ?
Closest garrison unit is very far away. Can we give it the Representation bonus by whipping another city ? That would be a very convenient way around the 2 angries.


@ Tracking Russian units :
Sure thing.

@ Paris : not managed, yet.
@ Athens : prolly should go Forge, yes.

 

[Rusten]

Well, the Archer in Yaroslav goes garrison St Petersburg... I'm not sure we want a Worker first.

We don't want the worker first, but the point is that the archer is a 1T build anyway when the chop completes. If we put a turn into worker now we can whip it immediately after the archer.

Forgot about the granary in Rostov. Whip courthouse? Maybe whipping a worker is best here as well? We really need them. Both for chopping forests and for improving territory (and changing improvements for GA).

We can 2-pop whip mace in SH. This would give representation to Alexandria I think. (Double-checking soon)

 

[BornInCantaloup]

Many Courthouses are +4gpt. We should probably spam them.
Give us Courthouses everywhere and we're doing a fat +100gpt (still not great ; no commerce base, we have).


Chop Archer comes too late for St Pet.
If we're not using our HAs, it would make sense. If we're using them, we need to whip the Archer.
I'm not too sure, will need to check.

 

[Rusten]

Oh, now I understand, you're whipping the archer in Yaro?
No arguments then.

 

[BornInCantaloup]

Yaroslav whips archer, yes.

Rostov whipping worker could very well be the best option available. Forests factored and all.

We're whipping all 3 maces this turn.


X-Post :
Oooh X-Bows... lovely units. Strong counter.
I need to rest, now.

 

[elitetroops]

Rostov could also whip a Xbow to take care of those wandering Russian metal units and let more of our HA army advance east. Backup HAs from France will arrive in time to take care of sword, if sword takes same path as his axe. If both his units move next to Rostov, they won't be of any help.

Athens Forge->Moai. Now it's a crappy situation with workboats. Need 2 turns of travel to get to Athens from Cologne. New Gemmy workboat could get to Athens faster than that, but then it's long travel from Cologne to Gemmy.

 

[Gumbolt]

Looks like I have missed all the fun. Need to catch up but super tired. Long night.