Biden wins presidency

[Zardnaar]

An article suggesting that the centre of gravity is moving southward in the US.
If so... Bidens policies should deal with that and the Dems as party as well for enough voters.

"In the south, the number of jobs is growing and money is being made. Between 2000 and 2015, the number of jobs in North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas combined increased by 13.5%. In the north, employment contracted by 1.3% in that period. The southern states have already had a greater share of the US economy than the northern ones in the last decade. This is a historic shift from the old twentieth-century industry to that of the twenty-first century: tech, healthcare, services. Politics in America is now slowly aligning with that reality. Trump vs. Biden was the last election with the twentieth century at stake, fought between two personalities belonging to that era".




Is this a fair picture ?

More or less.
There's a bit of spin there but it's essentially correct.

 

[Hrothbern]

Maybe, but I don't think so. Florida is no longer looking like a swing state. It is unclear if the GA results can be replicated without easy mail-in ballots in future years - or even if they can be replicated at all. The rest of the south if firmly red. The Democrats great hope, Texas, seems like it will stay red as Latinos aren't breaking for Democrats in the percentages needed. It is also unclear whether the educated professionals in Texas that helped make the result close will vote Dem in future presidential elections if the GOP runs a normal candidate. PA/WI/MI look like they will be the swing states for the foreseeable future.

That would mean a bleak perspective for the Dems.
PA/WI/MI staying contested.
If jobs would stay growing faster in the South, voters growing faster in the South, and the Dems having nothing attractive for them (except helping with Climate and water issues)...

 

[innonimatu]

You sniping at everyone who isn't St. Sanders is getting rather annoying. Warren has put forward far more coherent proposals than Sanders did on accomplishing largely his goals. She had by far the best thought out proposals on bank regulation and fighting corporate money in politics, and to my knowledge she was the only candidate who talked about implementing a national economic and industrial policy to strengthen the domestic economic and move it away from its foreign/finance imbalance.
As a student of history you should know the only times socialists in Europe got into government was when they were in cooperation with social democrats and reformists.

She had no intention of ever executing. If she was serious about what she proposed she'd have to change the democratic party also. And made no effort at it. Nor did St. Sanders by the way. But at least he was in more of a crash course and visible scared the DNC more, that's something. He might fail to execute but would reveal who was blocking social-democratic reforms such as M4A, open the way to changing the party in a next election by campaigning against those people and interests.
Warren would simply shrug and do some deal that amounted to nothing. Same as the other saint of "change", Obama. She didn't scare the DNC, that's telling.

Covid the obvious first topic on the domestic menu

Same as in Europe, nothing will be done.

Bolsonaro at least was more honest than the whole lot of liars and incompetents we have. HE just stated he wasn't caring about ending the virus and for brazilians to get used to it. These are doing the same but with a decoys of theatrics.

In the US actually I don't see now any more "stimulus" passing soon. Trump has no incentive to even attempt to steady things for a successor. Congress is divided.
Not that "stimulus" as it was already done was well done. Mostly it was a bailout to shore up values of equity and bonds, same old. But it did provide a lifeline for many hard-pressed people who had suddenly lost employment.

 

[Ajidica]

She had no intention of ever executing. If she was serious about what she proposed she'd have to change the democratic party also. And made no effort at it. Nor did St. Sanders by the way. But at least he was in more of a crash course and visible scared the DNC more, that's something. He might fail to execute but would reveal who was blocking social-democratic reforms such as M4A, open the way to changing the party in a next election by campaigning against those people and interests.
Warren would simply shrug and do dome deal that amounted to nothing. She didn't scare the DNC, that's telling.

She scared the Republicans more than Sanders ever did; the reason she went into the Senate instead of heading up the CFPB -which was her brainchild- was because every Republican, and a number of Democrats - said they flat out would not vote to confirm her.
Warren knows how to speak the language of the Democratic establishment and finance. Sanders doesn't know how to speak that language. Where Warren can talk arcane policy details, Sanders prefers to talk to the public. Because we aren't in government we tend to overestimate how much talking to voters matters. There is a whole self-reinforcing ecosystem in DC of lobbyists, think tanks, and influence brokers who help frame how issues are discussed. Warren knows how to talk their language and has the academic background to counter them in voter-understandable ways. From various comments and talking points she has made, I would feel comfortable saying she understands the concept of the 'producers alliance', the shared industry of domestic capital and labor against international capital.
For the Democratic party to implement in force even a mild Social Democrat platform it needs both types.

 

[GenMarshall]

I’m gonna offer a fair warning. Don’t count all your chickens before they hatch. Especially with Trump waging Legal Warfare at this point and there’s no sign of him backing down.

The media may have called for a Biden victory, but it has yet to be certified in December and you’re gonna have to take into account any faithless electors that would vote Trump. Anything can happen between now and the deadline for the Electoral College vote.

Also, per the Constitution, Trump isn't going to leave Office until January 20th IIRC, if he loses.

 

[Angst]

Ding dong the witch is dead.

 

[r16]

congragulations America , for ending a shameful 4 years . The incoming are rotten to the core , the people who lost are still crazies , you are not out of the woods yet but all the same , congragulations .

 

[onejayhawk]

So much for the most peace loving President in US history. How soon will we have war with Iran?

Can Biden still be indicted for criminal acts he did prior to his inauguration? Can he be impeached after inauguration for bribery that occurred before?

J

Moderator Action: Can you avoid asking stupid questions to which you already know the answer? Thanks. ~ Arakhor

 

[innonimatu]

Warren knows how to speak the language of the Democratic establishment and finance. Sanders doesn't know how to speak that language. Where Warren can talk arcane policy details, Sanders prefers to talk to the public. Because we aren't in government we tend to overestimate how much talking to voters matters. There is a whole self-reinforcing ecosystem in DC of lobbyists, think tanks, and influence brokers who help frame how issues are discussed. Warren knows how to talk their language and has the academic background to counter them in voter-understandable ways.

Sometimes the only winning move is not to play. Overturn the game. Talking with the whole ecosystem in DC of lobbyists, think tanks, and influence brokers will get you where exactly?
In fact is Warren even going to be let anywhere near executive power if she stands for breaking Silicon Valley monopolies? Whoever much she talks to the lobbyists they run in DC? Only if the promise to not touch those monopolies. We'll see how the action against Google moves. Or fails to.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

That would mean a bleak perspective for the Dems.
PA/WI/MI staying contested.
If jobs would stay growing faster in the South, voters growing faster in the South, and the Dems having nothing attractive for them (except helping with Climate and water issues)...

It's just as much threat to the GOP because jobs tend to cluster in cities and many of the good ones require higher education. I think the Georgia model is as instructive to the GOP as Florida is to the Democrats. Maybe more so, in the final calculation. Older, less educated whites shrink as a proportion of the electorate every year while the Democratic base grows.

Much has been made about disconnects between the Democrats and Hispanic voters because of Florida but preliminary data seems to indicate that the new growth for the GOP in that segment is restricted mostly to Florida, or is at best at the margins and not portending a wholesale realignment.

 

[Grisu]

So much for the most peace loving President in US history. How soon will we have war with Iran?

Can Biden still be indicted for criminal acts he did prior to his inauguration? Can he be impeached after inauguration for bribery that occurred before?

J

Damn the Internets, I can never tell for sure if something is satire or not...

 

[Kyriakos]

congragulations America , for ending a shameful 4 years . The incoming are rotten to the core , the people who lost are still crazies , you are not out of the woods yet but all the same , congragulations .

You'll be more festive when halkbank sanctions happen

 

[Light Cleric]

Damn the Internets, I can never tell for sure if something is satire or not...

Sadly I doubt it is; based on my interactions the last six months, "but his son's e-mails" is what constitutes a "reasonable" Republican now. Over the last few years I've had to give up on talking to multiple people that used to seem at least somewhat sensible because they've gone so far off the deep end into their own realities.

 

[Lohrenswald]

And on not trying to steal the election: lol

That's not what I said

Trump maybe wouldn't have bothered to do the spiel if the media didn't anticipate such a thing, but that's not the matter

We are here saying Biden is going to be president in january

Even if Trump had won now, he would step down in january 2025 and let whoever won that election become president

 

[Estebonrober]

This scene popped into my head. Not something I'd put on FB but here seems suitable. . .

Edit: I should be clear I mean no physical harm to Trump

Also I want to add that I'm no fan of Biden but we definitely have a smiling president and a president who can console the nation and not make it more angry when tragedy strikes. I still remember Obama busting out Amazing Grace at the church after that horrible attack on a sacred place at it still gives chills, especially in contrast to the last four years. I know Biden can barely talk much less bust out Amazing Grace but the thought will be there and that is a great thing for America.

 

[Archon_Wing]

What Trump probably thinks.

 

[Ajidica]

Sometimes the only winning move is not to play. Overturn the game. Talking with the whole ecosystem in DC of lobbyists, think tanks, and influence brokers will get you where exactly?
In fact is Warren even going to be let anywhere near executive power if she stands for breaking Silicon Valley monopolies? Whoever much she talks to the lobbyists they run in DC? Only if the promise to not touch those monopolies. We'll see how the action against Google moves. Or fails to.

Genuine question, when was the last time the left got into power without knowing how to work the game or allying with the social democrats and reformists? I'm most familiar with the UK and the only times Labour won was when they were able to get the left, trade unions, social democrats, and reformists on side.

 

[Birdjaguar]

That would mean a bleak perspective for the Dems.
PA/WI/MI staying contested.
If jobs would stay growing faster in the South, voters growing faster in the South, and the Dems having nothing attractive for them (except helping with Climate and water issues)...

The US population shift from the NE to the south has been going on for more than a couple of decades now. In the beginning it was retirees; now it is educated millennials. That is what is turning GA and TX blue.

So much for the most peace loving President in US history. How soon will we have war with Iran?

Can Biden still be indicted for criminal acts he did prior to his inauguration? Can he be impeached after inauguration for bribery that occurred before?

J

Not according to Bill Barr.

 

[onejayhawk]

Damn the Internets, I can never tell for sure if something is satire or not...

A little bit, but only a little. Biden really has been taking bribes for decades. Trump really was the lest military oriented President in at least a century.

J

 

[Gorbles]

A little bit, but only a little. Biden really has been taking bribes for decades. Trump really was the lest military oriented President in at least a century.

J

Very good satire! I like it!