DC123456789
Deity
Well, they should.
The Great DoC 1.9 UHV Challenge
- Thread starter Tomorrow's Dawn
- Start date
Well, they should.
Of course they do. Added Cartagena to the CNM.
strijder20
Wallowing in irony
Really? So no Dutch Utrecht anymore?
Sarius1997
Warlord
Utrecht is the Holy Roman name for Amsterdam.
DC123456789
Deity
Isn't Utrecht one of the largest cities in the Netherlands?
Sarius1997
Warlord
But Amsterdam is bigger, today, and some time after the dutch spawn.
utrecht was still important, but it was weaker than Amsterdam from 1600 on.
utrecht was still important, but it was weaker than Amsterdam from 1600 on.
OrcWarrior
Chieftain
At least there is no more utrecht
Tomorrow's Dawn
Heroes Never Die
A perennial favorite of mine, France.
Revision 401, Monarch, Normal, 3000 BC.
Score: 7939
Finish Date: 1808
General strategy is as follows:
Leave behind one Longbowman in Paris. Send everybody towards the Italian peninsula and raze every city except Rome.
Whip out a Galley in Burduglia, and send your second Settler to Ireland; found the city 1N of Dublin.
Then, keep pumping out Galleys till you have 2-3, and maybe a Trireme to accompany if you happen to have time to spare.
If you want to, with your surviving Italian units, go to Greece as well.
I razed two cities there (Dyracchion & Athens) while keeping Sparte for myself.
I usually don't do this though.
Tech order should be:
Meditation -> Aesthetics -> your choice (any combination of Literature, Drama, Aesthetics, Music, Guilds)
-> Patronage -> Liberalism (prereq techs) -> Compass -> Optics -> Liberalism.
You'll need to fit Engineering somewhere in there.
Trade for any of the above techs as necessary.
Build order for Paris should be:
Apostolic Palace -> Catholic Church -> Catholic Monastery -> Salon -> Orthodox Church ->
Orthodox Monastery -> Library -> Sistine Chapel -> Notre Dame -> anything else until you can build Versailles
Run Artists whenever you feel is necessary (75-90% of the time).
Okay, so back to the timeline:
Wait for England's 10 turn peace to go away, and on the 8th-9th turn, hire some mercs.
Supplement them with Knights if necessary. Cataphracts will help immensely. Crossbowmen are secondary in value.
Make sure to make peace with the Vikings around this time or during your invasion of England.
Load up your boys and go to town. Keep London, burn down everything else.
Don't be intimidated by the Heavy Swordsmen; Combat 1 + Shock cavalry units will take care of them.
Ship your boys back home and get ready to invade Spain.
They'll be weak after their typical confrontation with the Moors so you need to capitalize on their weakness.
Keep Madrid. Burn down everything else. Prepare yourself to attack Portugal.
If they have Ponte Delgada, try to capitulate them. Keep no Portuguese cities.
If the Moors happen to still be on Iberia, you need to take them out as well.
From there on, it's really all autopilot. Get Lib and Astro, destroy the Dutch, plop down your cities in the American triangle,
and a few in Quebec. And just wait. You can attack or vassalize Poland or Vikings, but you need to leave Germany alone.
If they DoW you, fight a defensive war. Almost everything they have flips to the Prussians later. It's not worth it.
At the end, I had a 32 turn Golden Age carrying me all the way to the end with gusto:
-2 GPs sacrificed (8 turns)
-3 GPs sacrificed (8 turns)
-Taj Mahal (8 turns)
-2/3 Triumphal Arch (8 turns)
Some highlights in this particular game of mine:
-Vassals: Poland, Vikings, Ethiopia, Khmer, Aztecs
-The Turks mysteriously died a few turns within spawning. I'm assuming they started at war with the Arabs,
left their capital, and the Arabs swooped in and ended them. The Arabs soon followed suit, and when the Iranians spawned,
they almost immediately collapsed. Egypt withered away as well around that time.
The Middle-East was quite barren for some time until the Turks respawned and everyone else wanted a slice of the pie.
(At one point, the Turks, the Polish, the Mughals, and the Chinese all had a piece of either the Levant, Mesopotamia or Persia)
It was good for me anyways, because I settled Constantinople.
-I didn't attack the Prussians. Normally, in a French game, I try and reverse the bad fortunes of the Franco-Prussian War,
but in this game, since the Vikings & the Polish voluntarily vassalized to me, there was no need.
-Kammu leads Japan all the way to the present time. They do A LOT better with Kammu at the helm instead of Tokugawa.
It's similar to the old England situation where the old Alfred was everybody's doormat.
-Some thoughts: I reiterate that it really feels like France is one of the few civs without a UP.
The effect is very, very, VERY barely noticeable. It's not like they need a buff, but they could get something fun going for them.
Revision 401, Monarch, Normal, 3000 BC.
Score: 7939
Finish Date: 1808
General strategy is as follows:
Leave behind one Longbowman in Paris. Send everybody towards the Italian peninsula and raze every city except Rome.
Whip out a Galley in Burduglia, and send your second Settler to Ireland; found the city 1N of Dublin.
Then, keep pumping out Galleys till you have 2-3, and maybe a Trireme to accompany if you happen to have time to spare.
If you want to, with your surviving Italian units, go to Greece as well.
I razed two cities there (Dyracchion & Athens) while keeping Sparte for myself.
I usually don't do this though.
Tech order should be:
Meditation -> Aesthetics -> your choice (any combination of Literature, Drama, Aesthetics, Music, Guilds)
-> Patronage -> Liberalism (prereq techs) -> Compass -> Optics -> Liberalism.
You'll need to fit Engineering somewhere in there.
Trade for any of the above techs as necessary.
Build order for Paris should be:
Apostolic Palace -> Catholic Church -> Catholic Monastery -> Salon -> Orthodox Church ->
Orthodox Monastery -> Library -> Sistine Chapel -> Notre Dame -> anything else until you can build Versailles
Run Artists whenever you feel is necessary (75-90% of the time).
Okay, so back to the timeline:
Wait for England's 10 turn peace to go away, and on the 8th-9th turn, hire some mercs.
Supplement them with Knights if necessary. Cataphracts will help immensely. Crossbowmen are secondary in value.
Make sure to make peace with the Vikings around this time or during your invasion of England.
Load up your boys and go to town. Keep London, burn down everything else.
Don't be intimidated by the Heavy Swordsmen; Combat 1 + Shock cavalry units will take care of them.
Ship your boys back home and get ready to invade Spain.
They'll be weak after their typical confrontation with the Moors so you need to capitalize on their weakness.
Keep Madrid. Burn down everything else. Prepare yourself to attack Portugal.
If they have Ponte Delgada, try to capitulate them. Keep no Portuguese cities.
If the Moors happen to still be on Iberia, you need to take them out as well.
From there on, it's really all autopilot. Get Lib and Astro, destroy the Dutch, plop down your cities in the American triangle,
and a few in Quebec. And just wait. You can attack or vassalize Poland or Vikings, but you need to leave Germany alone.
If they DoW you, fight a defensive war. Almost everything they have flips to the Prussians later. It's not worth it.
At the end, I had a 32 turn Golden Age carrying me all the way to the end with gusto:
-2 GPs sacrificed (8 turns)
-3 GPs sacrificed (8 turns)
-Taj Mahal (8 turns)
-2/3 Triumphal Arch (8 turns)
Some highlights in this particular game of mine:
-Vassals: Poland, Vikings, Ethiopia, Khmer, Aztecs
-The Turks mysteriously died a few turns within spawning. I'm assuming they started at war with the Arabs,
left their capital, and the Arabs swooped in and ended them. The Arabs soon followed suit, and when the Iranians spawned,
they almost immediately collapsed. Egypt withered away as well around that time.
The Middle-East was quite barren for some time until the Turks respawned and everyone else wanted a slice of the pie.
(At one point, the Turks, the Polish, the Mughals, and the Chinese all had a piece of either the Levant, Mesopotamia or Persia)
It was good for me anyways, because I settled Constantinople.
-I didn't attack the Prussians. Normally, in a French game, I try and reverse the bad fortunes of the Franco-Prussian War,
but in this game, since the Vikings & the Polish voluntarily vassalized to me, there was no need.
-Kammu leads Japan all the way to the present time. They do A LOT better with Kammu at the helm instead of Tokugawa.
It's similar to the old England situation where the old Alfred was everybody's doormat.
-Some thoughts: I reiterate that it really feels like France is one of the few civs without a UP.
The effect is very, very, VERY barely noticeable. It's not like they need a buff, but they could get something fun going for them.
Tomorrow's Dawn
Heroes Never Die
Nope, the Thai didn't spawn. A first ever for me.
iOnlySignIn
Prince$s
Greece, E/E, SVN 400
A most classic civ (pun intended). Found Corinth on the Marble. Squat Sinope, found it right after Persian spawn. Then kill everyone.
Babylon built Hanging Gardens and Ishtar Gate, whereas Egypt built Great Sphinx and Pyramids. I guess Leoreth tweaked their Wonder choices? Very realistic. I built every other Classic Wonder except Colosseum. Also very realistic.
I couldn't bother with teching Construction though. Right before end game I WBed 2 Odeons into Corinth and Byzantium. Perhaps Odeon should be changed to require Drama (Literature? Aesthetics?) instead of Construction.
One major reason I like Greece (other than being able to play as Pericles) is I get to see my favorite heroes featured like this:
Socrates bulbs Philosophy in the last moment to ensure Greek victory:
Link to video.
A most classic civ (pun intended). Found Corinth on the Marble. Squat Sinope, found it right after Persian spawn. Then kill everyone.
Babylon built Hanging Gardens and Ishtar Gate, whereas Egypt built Great Sphinx and Pyramids. I guess Leoreth tweaked their Wonder choices? Very realistic. I built every other Classic Wonder except Colosseum. Also very realistic.
I couldn't bother with teching Construction though. Right before end game I WBed 2 Odeons into Corinth and Byzantium. Perhaps Odeon should be changed to require Drama (Literature? Aesthetics?) instead of Construction.
One major reason I like Greece (other than being able to play as Pericles) is I get to see my favorite heroes featured like this:
Socrates bulbs Philosophy in the last moment to ensure Greek victory:
Link to video.
Ethphian 1910 AD 6413 pts.
A little bit boring, found capital on cow(1E). The most important part is early game: get a GP to bulb theology, conquer Egypt after they collapse (and I managed to capture Alexandria/Buto too between Romans and Greeks). Then build axemen for impi, spearman - war elephants for camel archers. The trick to weaken Arabs is to found a crap city near Makkah before they spawn , but I founded it on incense, in order to get my 2/3 UHV a little faster.
About no European UHV : no one settled or conquered a city in 1500, then Portugal came to Congo, I waited until 1860s and wiped them out with my infantry and bombers. Got their last African city - Diego Suarez on Madagarscar, which was not shown in light blue text.
I settled North & South America too. Got my stability back to solid after I built Cristo Redentor and switched to universal suffrage. Capitalism + Free Market is the most powerful civic with cottage economy.
A little bit boring, found capital on cow(1E). The most important part is early game: get a GP to bulb theology, conquer Egypt after they collapse (and I managed to capture Alexandria/Buto too between Romans and Greeks). Then build axemen for impi, spearman - war elephants for camel archers. The trick to weaken Arabs is to found a crap city near Makkah before they spawn , but I founded it on incense, in order to get my 2/3 UHV a little faster.
About no European UHV : no one settled or conquered a city in 1500, then Portugal came to Congo, I waited until 1860s and wiped them out with my infantry and bombers. Got their last African city - Diego Suarez on Madagarscar, which was not shown in light blue text.
I settled North & South America too. Got my stability back to solid after I built Cristo Redentor and switched to universal suffrage. Capitalism + Free Market is the most powerful civic with cottage economy.
Monarch normal. India needs micromanagement, and their settler is so expansive (296). I founded Lahore on Marble, but Takashila(1N) is better spot. Tech priesthood - masonry - polytheism, then switch to forced labor + pantheon. Varanasi build temple then go for GP.
Conquer Tamils after they spawn. Didn't rush Khurahajo. I didn't have enough cities in time so I conquered a Persian city to have Zoloasterianism spread to my city.
I built Great Library in Delhi, this means +2 free health in Indian UP. Defeated Seljuks too, then my stability became very low, and the last UHV triggered. 22% of world population.
Conquer Tamils after they spawn. Didn't rush Khurahajo. I didn't have enough cities in time so I conquered a Persian city to have Zoloasterianism spread to my city.
I built Great Library in Delhi, this means +2 free health in Indian UP. Defeated Seljuks too, then my stability became very low, and the last UHV triggered. 22% of world population.
There's still one small trick: spread Buddhism to Greece or Rome to increase their unhappiness. But if Persia starts at war with you, then you are strangled in south & east Asia. Can't send early warrior west because barb chariots. Production is too important that you can't waste any unit. If we lower settler cost, things will be a lot easier.
I've also tried using city states with India, but the stability penalty is too big that forced me switch it back after my 2/3 golden age.
Tomorrow's Dawn
Heroes Never Die
Err, what turn did you finish India on, youtien?
I also can't see the saves.
I also can't see the saves.
iOnlySignIn
Prince$s
I always do that. When I play China I make sure at least 1/3 of the Europeans switch to Taoism.
