[Game thread] Smurf Mafia

askthepizzaguy said:

Bring Bsmith back so I can kill him for the third straight time in the same game.

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I think visor said he's alright to be in.

also I'll probably extend deadline to accomodate for that. extended 3 hours for now.

okay so update will be coming up

Screams were heard throughout the night. It was a bloody night indeed, with many fights occuring.


Ninjacow's 3 heads was found scattered across the room, apparently blown off from his body (which seemed to just be obliterated into pieces)


Robbiecon's body was found in bloody chunks. It was hardly a body, and had teeth marks in it.


In Ninjacow's room Smurfette was found huddled in a corner. She proclaimed "My saviour!.....erm, which one of you can I thank for this? :3" Vote for allocation of smurfette in green!

The harvest yielded 3 berries today!

4 players are alive! See opening post for updated list of living and dead

Monday october 29 7:00 PM EDT

[TIMER=10/29/2012 7:00 PM EDT; Day Phase Over][/TIMER]​

note I can make the day phase end in 24 hours if everyone votes and no one is going to change their vote. Visorslash has replaced jht I guess.

If you wanted to, you could just end it now and say the townies lynched ATPG, since that result is inevitable.

I'm vanilla, but I do have 3 choxolate to roleblock Pizza guy.

Vote: Askthepizzaguy

Berries to me

Smurfette to me

Pizza and there's no way I'd be changing.

Vote: Visorslash

Vote myself Smurfette

Vote myself all berries

Anyways, got as far as I could. Ninjacow's death would have meant I was exposed as a SK, with even more townies alive.

No matter how good you play as a SK, there's nothing you can really do. The host confirming that factions were eliminated is the reason why I lost the game.

Without that data, I could have kept my cover and everyone else in the game would have been able to suspect at least one more mafioso out there. But it was impossible to convince anyone of that after NinjaCow died.

Little bits of data like that affect game balance. That little bit of data meant that the game was unwinnable for the SK regardless of how I played.

But I still had fun and screwed everyone over really well. As much as possible. Moral victory to me.

askthepizzaguy said:

That little bit of data meant that the game was unwinnable for the SK

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not necessarilly. There was discussion in the dead qt about game balance, and it could work different for SK

Jarrema said:

not necessarilly. There was discussion in the dead qt about game balance, and it could work different for SK

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As the game is over, do enlighten.

Oh come on, you didn't lose because of that reveal, you lost because of the forgotten Night 1 Kill and, to some extent, the bad luck and failures of the other anti-townies to do anything.

choxorn said:

Oh come on, you didn't lose because of that reveal, you lost because of the forgotten Night 1 Kill and, to some extent, the bad luck and failures of the other anti-townies to do anything.

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A missing kill N1 wouldn't affect the outcome today, as there would still be 2-1.

At any point in the game, if there's 3-4 people remaining-

1) The cult and mafia are eliminated (and both have to be eliminated for me to win)
2) The host informs the townies they're both eliminated
3) It's clear that the two "mafia" factions are defeated,
4) That means that there is not a third "mafia" faction remaining or else there wouldn't be a final day.

Therefore that means only a serial killer can remain.

As such, folks would immediately lynch me.

The cripping factor, which forced me to act, was the fact that it is revealed when a faction is defeated.

I could claim to still be a vig hunting scum, until the host informs the town that the major factions are gone.

There's no way for me to claim to still be townie if I'm the only killer remaining.

Listen, I know the game wasn't devastatingly broken for town, mafia, or the cult. And a lot of folks had fun (me included) and thought the game was fun. But revealing that factions are defeated severely limits my winning chances. That's a fact, it's not debatable.

Lest I be seen as whining for stating facts, I'll simply leave it at that. But I'm correct.

Alternatively, you could have not attracted so much attention to yourself, and people wouldn't even be sure you could kill at all.

so anyways, yeah I'll just do the end game update at the 24 hour point as I'm not particularly inclined to do it right this second.

I'll freely admit that faction reveal did hurt the SK; it was a tough game for the SK individually and I recognize that. But it was a tough game for any of the individual scum vs the town, but a lot of the balance is summed as

(a) the scum vs townies being very strong early on (i.e. scum free to kill the town very easily)
(b) the scum vs scum wasn't enough to just kill each other immediately. The scum all had high/higher HP than the town and could have survived respective attacks from other scum, whereas a 30 HP townie just gets slaughtered.
(c) the town was to grow in strength as time passed, due to some of the roles.

So in this permutation, when each scum faction didn't send in orders varying nights--n1 atpg, n2 mafia, n5? verarde had a chance to poison and convert but had no order-- and with the cult being unlucky/metagaming a bit (elaborated below), it didn't just hurt their individual chances but hurt the other scums quite a bit. Prolonging this game hurt the scum a lot.

There also is always the selection of kills that could have been changed too, but that's obviously a bit debatable and very much confirmation bias. The mafia (who chose to start with smurfette) didn't attempt to really make use of their benefits from smurfette for attack. The could have (potentially) done 90 damage to someone else, i.e. turn 3 kills into 4 (or even 5 if lucky on the selection). But they also missed night 2 iirc.

and atpg played the SK damn well, but if you hadn't particularly claimed "hey guys I'm a vigilante" there wasn't really anything that distinguished you from jht or azzaman, let's say. They were vanilla and you could claim vanilla, for the most part. And as you see you actually were very close to winning just through overpowering, if you hadn't traded smurfette away (or used the exotic berry better). Ninjacow would have survived if he had eaten an exotic berry, with everything else the exact same.

faction reveal


Cult note

tl;dr cult got like 1/9 odds for him to have no conversions in first 2 attempts (n1 and n3). Since there were safeguards for him to survive at least n1, and he had relatively high HP to survive a town vigilante or early lynch. The cult having no convertees changes the game quite a bit.

Berries to Visorslash
Smurfette to Visorslash

ATPG - when I saw you claiming a vigilante, my first thought was: he is a serial killer

I didn't think you were a serial killer at first, but then I died.

Maybe I would have figured it out if I'd lasted a bit longer.