Et_Absoluti
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I guess a war with Euruch it is then 
Realpolitik of the Smoky Skies - The Reboot
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Melda
Wannabe Psephologist
As an out of character comment to non-government players: I realise this part of the political cycle is a bit boring (lots of things happening behind the scenes in Cabinet), but there will be action in the public sphere soon, I promise.
It has become increasingly apparent in recent months that the rights and protections under the law for Pulians are not as strong as they should be. Therefore my Cabinet has compiled a list of rights that all people in the Pulian Realm should enjoy. These rights will be inalienable and inextinguishable.
As this will necessitate an amendment to the Constitution of Pulias, this bill will only be deemed to have passed the chamber if it receives at least two-thirds of the vote in favour of it, at which point it will pass to the Emperor, where if he grants it Royal Assent a referendum will be held where the question is put to the voters of Pulias. It is my hope that the Emperor will hold the referendum for this constitutional amendment proposal at the same time as another, which is yet to be introduced for debate in the Senate. It is my hope that by holding two referenda on the same day we will save the taxpayers money and not fatigue the voters by forcing them back to the polls twice in a short period.
I commend the bill to the chamber, and I move that the bill be heard for the first time.
Time left for debate: Ended due to fast-track motion.
Time left to vote: [TIMER="2015/08/21 19:20 UTC;Expired"][/TIMER]
As this will necessitate an amendment to the Constitution of Pulias, this bill will only be deemed to have passed the chamber if it receives at least two-thirds of the vote in favour of it, at which point it will pass to the Emperor, where if he grants it Royal Assent a referendum will be held where the question is put to the voters of Pulias. It is my hope that the Emperor will hold the referendum for this constitutional amendment proposal at the same time as another, which is yet to be introduced for debate in the Senate. It is my hope that by holding two referenda on the same day we will save the taxpayers money and not fatigue the voters by forcing them back to the polls twice in a short period.
I commend the bill to the chamber, and I move that the bill be heard for the first time.
Time left for debate: Ended due to fast-track motion.
Time left to vote: [TIMER="2015/08/21 19:20 UTC;Expired"][/TIMER]
We live in a region of constitutional monarchies and republics. The Cabinet has debated the fact that our constitutional monarchy and parliamentary democracy contains protections for the executive that appear more well suited to a presidential republic.
We in the Cabinet feel the Government of Pulias is far too powerful, and is not as accountable to the Senate as it should be. As such, this bill aims to reduce the threshold for the removal of a Prime Minister and by extension a Government from power from a two-third vote in the Senate to a simple majority.
As this will necessitate an alteration to the Constitution of Pulias, this bill will only be deemed to have passed the Senate if it receives the support of two-thirds of votes cast. At that point, if the Emperor grants Royal Assent, a referendum must be held to put the question to the voters of Pulias directly.
It is my hope that the Emperor will agree to hold this referendum on the same day as the Rights and Freedoms referendum, to save the public purse and the patience of the voters.
I commend the bill to the chamber, and I move that the bill be heard for the first time.
Time left for debate: Ended due to fast-track motion.
Time left to vote: [TIMER="2015/08/21 19:20 UTC;Expired"][/TIMER]
We in the Cabinet feel the Government of Pulias is far too powerful, and is not as accountable to the Senate as it should be. As such, this bill aims to reduce the threshold for the removal of a Prime Minister and by extension a Government from power from a two-third vote in the Senate to a simple majority.
As this will necessitate an alteration to the Constitution of Pulias, this bill will only be deemed to have passed the Senate if it receives the support of two-thirds of votes cast. At that point, if the Emperor grants Royal Assent, a referendum must be held to put the question to the voters of Pulias directly.
It is my hope that the Emperor will agree to hold this referendum on the same day as the Rights and Freedoms referendum, to save the public purse and the patience of the voters.
I commend the bill to the chamber, and I move that the bill be heard for the first time.
Time left for debate: Ended due to fast-track motion.
Time left to vote: [TIMER="2015/08/21 19:20 UTC;Expired"][/TIMER]
Since two bills have now been presented to the Senate at the same time, it is important that Senators clearly state which bill they are debating.
In accordance with the Senate Voting Act 1822 there will be three days of debate, but if there is a wish from fellow Senators to fast-track one or both bill(s) I won't oppose it.
And as stated in the bill introductions, we in the Cabinet seek to hold the referendum on both these bills at the same time in the case both bills pass. ((This will speed things up from a game point of view.))
I can also announce that my Cabinet has an Orders Act 1833 ready to commend to the Senate when the proper voting and referenda have been held on these two constitutional amendments.
((Edit: OOC: In addition to all of this, I would like to give credit where credit is due because it is Melda who drafted the bills above - I just present them in my capacity as Prime Minister.))
In accordance with the Senate Voting Act 1822 there will be three days of debate, but if there is a wish from fellow Senators to fast-track one or both bill(s) I won't oppose it.
And as stated in the bill introductions, we in the Cabinet seek to hold the referendum on both these bills at the same time in the case both bills pass. ((This will speed things up from a game point of view.))
I can also announce that my Cabinet has an Orders Act 1833 ready to commend to the Senate when the proper voting and referenda have been held on these two constitutional amendments.
((Edit: OOC: In addition to all of this, I would like to give credit where credit is due because it is Melda who drafted the bills above - I just present them in my capacity as Prime Minister.))
Et_Absoluti
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((We should get an IRC channel)) ((Great bills again btw Melda.
Melda
Wannabe Psephologist
Thank you. If adopted it'll look even better in the Constitution, aesthetically.
If adopted it'll look even better in the Constitution, aesthetically.
Melda
Wannabe Psephologist
I believe the adoption of these principles into our nation's governing document will lead a stronger and more stable society, one where the rights of all who dwell here in the Realm are protected. It is my sincere hope that entrenching these protections into the Constitution will lead us to never again experience such horror as was seen when certain groups were brutally targeted and castigated, with violence called upon them, as the rights of all men and women in Pulias will forever me be enshrined in law.
1889
Mayor of H-Marker Lake
I propose that we play a turn. All in favor say "Aye"
Is this a motion to fast-track the bills and begin voting? If so I support this, but two-thirds of Senators or party leaders in Senate must do so before voting can officially begin which means you need three more Senators or Senator Barnard with you.
Wyverncraft
¡Viva la Revolución!
I support this as well.
jackelgull
An aberration of nature
OOC: Hello, I have just binge read this entire thread, and I want to contribute as a newspaper. I am more of a religious figure condemning the problems of society than being in any of the established categories.
And here's a question: Do newspaper sway POP opinion? I think it would be cool if the media did, like how modern media sways people's opinion of the world.
I do not come to talk about grand things such as Heaven and Hell and the end of days as other messengers of the faith have. I come to talk about this life in all of its glory. We have lived to see great changes in technology and society. The appearance of the difference engine and the election of women to office is proof of that. And we are a young nation so we will live to see more changes still. But have these changes made our lives anymore meaningful? Has socialism brought us what we truly desire?
I believe not. The workers work long hours still, nothing but cogs in the vast machine of industry and commerce. Do they interact with their fellow man? Can they? No, for they do not have the time. They are isolated from everyone, including their families. There is no word for this travesty but murder. I talk not of physical murder, though the unsafe conditions promoted by socialist policies in order to decrease costs does risk lives, but spiritual murder. Humans are meant to be connected together in community. God has made us into nations and families for us to support one another and bond with one another.
What has resulted is the erosion of a sense of community and connection to our fellow man. And when a society are full of people who feel little connection or obligation to one another, can they really be called a society anymore? Or just people who live in the same space?
I call upon the churches to be the ones to fix this malaise of the nation's soul. Establish and fund more volunteer organizations. Pay these volunteers to go out an interact with others, take on their problems and learn a sense of obligation to others. And after Mass hold more community events. Picnics, hiking in yet uncut down forests, perhaps even go fishing in yet untainted streams and rivers. Give people a chance to be together. I believe that God did not create humanity to nourish the loneliness of the individual, He created humanity to give the individual pleasure in being a part of something greater than himself.
And here's a question: Do newspaper sway POP opinion? I think it would be cool if the media did, like how modern media sways people's opinion of the world.
The Zealot
The National Malaise
The National Malaise
I do not come to talk about grand things such as Heaven and Hell and the end of days as other messengers of the faith have. I come to talk about this life in all of its glory. We have lived to see great changes in technology and society. The appearance of the difference engine and the election of women to office is proof of that. And we are a young nation so we will live to see more changes still. But have these changes made our lives anymore meaningful? Has socialism brought us what we truly desire?
I believe not. The workers work long hours still, nothing but cogs in the vast machine of industry and commerce. Do they interact with their fellow man? Can they? No, for they do not have the time. They are isolated from everyone, including their families. There is no word for this travesty but murder. I talk not of physical murder, though the unsafe conditions promoted by socialist policies in order to decrease costs does risk lives, but spiritual murder. Humans are meant to be connected together in community. God has made us into nations and families for us to support one another and bond with one another.
What has resulted is the erosion of a sense of community and connection to our fellow man. And when a society are full of people who feel little connection or obligation to one another, can they really be called a society anymore? Or just people who live in the same space?
I call upon the churches to be the ones to fix this malaise of the nation's soul. Establish and fund more volunteer organizations. Pay these volunteers to go out an interact with others, take on their problems and learn a sense of obligation to others. And after Mass hold more community events. Picnics, hiking in yet uncut down forests, perhaps even go fishing in yet untainted streams and rivers. Give people a chance to be together. I believe that God did not create humanity to nourish the loneliness of the individual, He created humanity to give the individual pleasure in being a part of something greater than himself.
With the Senate's two party leaders' support, in addition to Senators Huggins and Richterson, that means the fast-track motion passes and we now move on to voting. In accordance with the Senate Voting Act there will be 48 hours to vote.
Time left to vote on Constitution Alteration (Rights and Freedoms) 1833 and Constitution Alteration (Confidence) 1833: [TIMER="2015/08/21 19:20 UTC;Expired"][/TIMER]
OOC: Interesting with a new newspaper, jackelgull. I'm not sure what effects they have, cpm knows more about that, but it's always fun immersion roleplay-wise. You could have a character behind the newspaper who could run for Senate in case you change your mind and want to try the political side of things, and if you don't they can just be a reporter.
Time left to vote on Constitution Alteration (Rights and Freedoms) 1833 and Constitution Alteration (Confidence) 1833: [TIMER="2015/08/21 19:20 UTC;Expired"][/TIMER]
OOC: Interesting with a new newspaper, jackelgull. I'm not sure what effects they have, cpm knows more about that, but it's always fun immersion roleplay-wise.
You could have a character behind the newspaper who could run for Senate in case you change your mind and want to try the political side of things, and if you don't they can just be a reporter.
Wyverncraft
¡Viva la Revolución!
I vote Aye on both items.
Wyverncraft
¡Viva la Revolución!
Well if we have a religious newspaper, should the politicians make known (or pretend everyone already knew) their religions? I can say that Richterson is very much an Atheist.
Melda
Wannabe Psephologist
I vote aye to both measures.
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And I'm not sure about William's religious beliefs --- I'm sure he'd keep it to himself because he would be of the belief that faith should be a personal and private matter, not one broadcast to the world --- but since he supports religious tolerance let's go with him being godless.
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And I'm not sure about William's religious beliefs --- I'm sure he'd keep it to himself because he would be of the belief that faith should be a personal and private matter, not one broadcast to the world --- but since he supports religious tolerance let's go with him being godless.
Et_Absoluti
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Henry is protestant(if it exists)
I'm impressed the thread was interesting enough to warrant a binge-reading
. Anyway, you're welcome to contribute newspapers , but initially they will have limited effect on POPs unless the articles a) address a specific issue and b) support a candidate (or oppose a candidate) on that issue. Over time, however, you could easily begin to sway people to your viewpoint on a specific topic (though of course please don't bombard the thread with newspaper articles!)OOC: Oh, and as a result of the history we've collectively drawn up, the Emperor would probably be a nonpracticing Catholic (as he is a Hapsburg, but Pulias' government, including the monarchy, is secular in accordance with revolutionary ideals.)
