Realpolitik of the Smoky Skies - The Reboot

christos200 said:
2) A lower house, the House of Opposition, should be formed. It should consist of all candidates who gained more than 2% of the votes by failed to get elected. It will not have any powers, but it will allow all parties, even minor ones, to be represented thus ensuring the plurality of viewpoints. This way, we can have a true democracy.
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:confused: What on earth would these minor parties need a special house for if said house is not to have any special powers nor be part of the legislative process?

I don't know if I support or oppose this proposal because I literally don't know what this house is supposed to accomplish, other than to be a place where people can sit around doing things they can already do without one. I also think the name of your proposed extra house is unfortunate because if it were to be established there could be member of said house who is a member of a government party, but didn't make it into Senate themselves - hence they're not opposition.

I'm sure you have some kind of idea here but without further explanation it just sounds unnecessary.
 
At the risk of sounding like 'PPP piles onto the new guys', I really don't understand the point of this proposal. I could be missing something, but it doesn't seem necessary, and I'll use a phrase I used a decade ago in regards to another proposal from another party, but it really feels like a solution in search of a problem.

As for democracy, we have it, and a very well-functioning, stable one at that. About 44% of the voters voted for the PPP and we got about 43% of the seats in the Senate, for example.
 
Melda said:
At the risk of sounding like 'PPP piles onto the new guys', I really don't understand the point of this proposal. I could be missing something, but it doesn't seem necessary, and I'll use a phrase I used a decade ago in regards to another proposal from another party, but it really feels like a solution in search of a problem.

As for democracy, we have it, and a very well-functioning, stable one at that. About 44% of the voters voted for the PPP and we got about 43% of the seats in the Senate, for example.
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To be fair, we could actually do better in terms of votes = influence.

However, such a thing would merely empower the larger parties.

As we saw in the recent election, it is possible for independents to get seats, as long as they're popular in their home city. Such a thing would likely be significantly harder if we went purely by total amount of votes.
 
Melda said:
And the two constitutional amendment bills (rights and confidence) have passed the Senate, meaning they're ready to go to a referendum at a time of the Emperor's choosing.
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We'll hold that referendum now and run it for 48 hours (~3:00 CDT on the afternoon of Wednesday the 26th.)
 
Well, I'll get it started then by casting my vote in favour of both initiatives, the text of which reads:

Do you approve the proposed law for the alteration of the Constitution entitled—'An Act to give effect to rights and freedoms guaranteed to all persons within the Pulian Realm'?
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and

Do you approve the proposed law for the alteration of the Constitution entitled—'An Act to alter the Constitution to empower the Senate to remove the Prime Minister with a majority vote'?
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Bring on the voting! :)
 
For any of the non-Government, non-Senate players who might have fallen asleep during our in-Cabinet discussions, this is a referendum of all the voters in the Pulian Realm in which you and the AI POPs have a say.
 
But what does Albert vote in the referendum?! :lol:

Best of luck with the travel. :)
 
Oh, there's a vote going on? :P

Aye, of course. However, I've just started at Uni, so I'm pretty busy these days.
 
I must say I'm surprised the Movement of Democrat Socialists, such staunch proponents of referenda haven't yet chimed in about this twin-referendum. ;)

:D
 
I'll throw in my vote for both if there's still time.
 
Yep, I think you got in about an hour or so before the stated closing of polls. ;)
 
Polls closed. Both referenda received 5 votes in favor and none against, and we'll assume they have been approved by the general populace as well (classes started up this week and I really haven't got the time to calculate the opinions of the general populace :p)
 
I think only the fascists would have opposed anyway and they're, what, 5% or less of the population and largely a spent force?

Edit: I'll update the in-universe constitution when I get home from teaching tonight (so late), or if I'm too stuffed I'll try again tomorrow. :p

As for the game rules, the only change I think is that where it says the prime minister must be defeated by a two-thirds vote against them in a motion of confidence needs to say 'majority'.
 
OOC: What Melda said above is also one of the reasons these two bills were presented at the same time, we thought it would be too much waiting around time if we had the bill of rights vote separately since that one is mostly just flavour.

IC: With the conclusion of the referendum on our previous issues I now present the Orders Act 1833 to the Senate. I propose we fast-track this bill if the necessary majority of Senators approve of that.

Construction (Minister: P. Huggins)
*In Pulias City, build the Pulias Tower.
*In Haven of Peace, build a Hospital and then a Grand Mansion.
*In Coventry, train a Worker immediately before continuing construction of the Difference Engine.

Culture (Minister: W. Melda)
*No social policies will be adopted this term.

Defence (Minister: H. Antilles)
*1st Flyer Division (based in Pulias City) - receive promotion Interception I and go on interception duty.
*1st Land Ironclad Division (outside Pulias City) - station in Pulias City and be ready to protect railroad workers if needed.
*2nd Land Ironclad Division (stationed in Haven of Peace) - scout to the north for any Luddite encampments but stay close enough to Haven of Peace to be able to return quickly if needed.
*3rd Land Ironclad Division (stationed in Coventry) - stay in Coventry and be ready to protect railroad workers if needed.
*Scouts - continue exploring until there is no more land to discover. Northern Scout should look for a possible city-state nearby, the border of which is currently partly visible.

Economy (Minister: E. Barnard)
*Buy the Copper deposit east of Coventry.
*Export luxuries to other nations, specific details can be found under Foreign Relations.

Foreign Relations (Minister: S. Megame)
*Export Wine to Eruch in exchange for 6 gold per year.
*Export Silver to Dalmace in exchange for 7 gold per year.
*No new Open Borders, Declaration of Friendship, or Defensive Pact agreements will be signed with the nations of Eruch and Orlin.

Infrastructure (Minister: E. Barnard)
*Finish construction on the railroad between Pulias City and Coventry.
*The new worker in Coventry should mine the new copper deposit and then move on to improve other resources around Coventry.

Intelligence (Minister: D. Richterson)
*All agents continue as previously instructed.

Science (Minister: W. Melda)
*Research Expedition.
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Edit: OOC note: Pulias Tower = Eiffel Tower
 
I support the motion to fast track the Orders Act 1833.
 
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