King of the World #17: Peter the Great
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IAM
Emperor
I still say Londongrad city placement is better where you put it. Saladins Wonder capital would have been a real headache otherwise. So far so great. Looks like we can do a few tech trades but all looks good.
dalamb
Deity
Do you plan to settle Iceland? I think Invermir will cross the 1-tile ocean gap, and you can stage a trireme and scout and/or missionary there, ready to upgrade to a caravel once you get optics. That gives somewhat faster access to the New World -- at least if you don't mind exploring southward from Quebec rather than getting closer to Washington etc by sea.
CreeDakota
King
what is the strategy this game? Is the goal really to be more of a bystander and see how the new setup changes things? That is the gameplan I endorse!
If not obviously stealing Sals wonders after a period of stabilization would be a easy move.
If not obviously stealing Sals wonders after a period of stabilization would be a easy move.
Jehoshua
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Good job in blocking off Scandinavia from the ravenous greek hordes. Im still dissapointed at your abysmal use of the british isles but i guess with the acquirment of Scandinavia you can be excused somewhat.
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My opinion since you are focussing on colonial strategy is that if you are continuing on that option you should start scouting more, moving scouts into the wilds of Eurasia and sending galleys (perhaps with settlers?) around africa towards australia and the lord of the subcontinental civilisation. You may even be able to claim your first colonial holdings in Africa or if you really want to Australia. The maintenance costs would be terrible if you go for colonialism now, but perhaps a gold city in south Africa as your first settlement would alleviate that problem somewhat
Exploration at any rate would do you good at the moment with your serious lack of knowedge of the Barbaric lands beyond the green fields of Europa
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My opinion since you are focussing on colonial strategy is that if you are continuing on that option you should start scouting more, moving scouts into the wilds of Eurasia and sending galleys (perhaps with settlers?) around africa towards australia and the lord of the subcontinental civilisation. You may even be able to claim your first colonial holdings in Africa or if you really want to Australia. The maintenance costs would be terrible if you go for colonialism now, but perhaps a gold city in south Africa as your first settlement would alleviate that problem somewhat
Exploration at any rate would do you good at the moment with your serious lack of knowedge of the Barbaric lands beyond the green fields of Europa
madscientist
RPC Supergenius
Great Round! I would like to see a rather peaceful Russian game to see exactly what these leaders do in their new environments. I suggest cofusing on the path towards astronomy, either via bulbing or Liberalism and start settling south America (at least for land based oil). As far as Europe/Africa/Asia, let's see how everyone does in their new homes.
capnvonbaron
Democratia gladii
Australia will likely be settled by the eastern civs by the time Neal can get there. Especially since Liz is out there 
How about moving the palace to the mainland once you settle/conquer lots of cities there and put Cathy in charge of the British Isles?
God save the bloodthirsty Queen! 
Lastly... I would like to pass a motion for Reykjavostok on Iceland.
How about moving the palace to the mainland once you settle/conquer lots of cities there and put Cathy in charge of the British Isles?
God save the bloodthirsty Queen! Lastly... I would like to pass a motion for Reykjavostok on Iceland.
Neal-called-Peter reclined in his Palace. His throne was lined with rich, warm furs, and promises of lustrous Scandinavian silver were forthcoming. The empire had expanded quickly in a few short years, and the economy was suffering for it. Long-term, Neal knew that he had done the right thing: Land is power, after all. But the key now was to develop the acres he had staked his claim to.
Research was at a relative standstill. Farmers were being conscripted and assigned Scientist posts in the Libraries of Yorkutsk and Londongrad in order to make up for a lagging tech rate. We were crawling toward Currency and, with it, Code of Laws to reign in rampant maintenance costs, but, for the moment, we were forced to beg and trade with the likes of the Mongols for new discoveries:
Blokhov, meanwhile, was the military depot of the empire, especially once Iron was found in the western foothills. Swords, Axes, Spears, and Bows were churned out of the shops, and soldiers were trained in their use at the Barracks.
The empire, though, was not ready for war. Blokhov was not only a chokepoint against Greek Settlers, but it would also have to fend off any possible Greek invasions. Alexander counted us amongst his friends, but we remained weak. And the Macedonian is nothing if not an opportunist. So when the opportunity came to lay down our weapons against India, Neal leapt at the opportunity:
Not that this saved Asoka. Delhi passed into Greek hands fifty years later.
In 625 B.C., we finally met the Inca, who were, needless to say, much more of a factor than Neal was used to:
Top of the scoreboard, and founder of the One True Faith. Delightful.
Francis Bacon was born well before his time:
He had much to say about the so-called Scientific Method, but there were a ton of prerequisites that hadn't yet been met. So Neal simply sent him to Londongrad to found an Academy for the future.
With Invermir's cultural expansion into the icy northern waters, Russian Settlers were able to spread north to the Arctic:
Iceloyarsk was another long-term investment that would, short term, hamper the empire. Russia simply had to survive until the city could bear fruit.
And survive was the operative word. Slave revolts spread to St. Patricksburg (the newly rechristened Waterslavl) and continental politics continued to roil as the Greeks, Japanese, and Spanish declared war on the Arabs across the channel. So one Civilization had been destroyed and another was being dogpiled in the B.C. era! This level of early turnover was, to say the least, unprecedented. The normally inconsequential Alexander threatened to become a true monster.
The advent of Currency, with the trade routes it opened up, boosted Russian research considerably. Code of Laws came relatively quickly, allowing us to make some real trades and leave the Mongols squatting in the dust with their horses:
Before Code of Laws came online, though, Alexander made us an offer we could not reasonably refuse:
As Greece's war ally, and with the Hellenes at Friendly, Peter finally decided to march his troops out of Blokhov south to join in the fray. If we could snatch the Pyramids (and the other Wonders that came with it), we would be able to launch a Specialist Economy par excellence. And even if we merely aid in Mecca's downfall, our cultural pressure from Londongrad might be enough to bring it around eventually.
By 185 B.C., though, our army arrived to find itself alone. A few Greek irregulars marched around, pillaging, but in terms of serious attempts to take the city, the King of the World found himself alone (and even his effort was half-hearted):
More importantly, you can see a Great Scientist on Britain. He stands poised to start a Golden Age for a massive Monarchy/Caste System/Organized Religion civic switch, but he also offers up the possibility of Philosophy, which promises both Taoism and valuable trade bait. So which way should we go with that?
Here's a look at the Tech situation:
As you can see, the Inca are running away and hiding in the tech race. And Alexander wants more than Code of Laws for Construction, which we'll need if we want to make a serious run at Mecca. Philosophy would sweeten the pot considerably.
The diplomacy screen:
We are largely well-liked by those we want to be well-liked by. A war within the faith seems to be on the horizon, however, and we may end up having to pick sides.
So here's where we stand. How strongly do we commit to taking Arabia? What do we do with the Scientist? Am I missing anything ridiculous?
Here's the save:
Research was at a relative standstill. Farmers were being conscripted and assigned Scientist posts in the Libraries of Yorkutsk and Londongrad in order to make up for a lagging tech rate. We were crawling toward Currency and, with it, Code of Laws to reign in rampant maintenance costs, but, for the moment, we were forced to beg and trade with the likes of the Mongols for new discoveries:
Blokhov, meanwhile, was the military depot of the empire, especially once Iron was found in the western foothills. Swords, Axes, Spears, and Bows were churned out of the shops, and soldiers were trained in their use at the Barracks.
The empire, though, was not ready for war. Blokhov was not only a chokepoint against Greek Settlers, but it would also have to fend off any possible Greek invasions. Alexander counted us amongst his friends, but we remained weak. And the Macedonian is nothing if not an opportunist. So when the opportunity came to lay down our weapons against India, Neal leapt at the opportunity:
Not that this saved Asoka. Delhi passed into Greek hands fifty years later.
In 625 B.C., we finally met the Inca, who were, needless to say, much more of a factor than Neal was used to:
Top of the scoreboard, and founder of the One True Faith. Delightful.
Francis Bacon was born well before his time:
He had much to say about the so-called Scientific Method, but there were a ton of prerequisites that hadn't yet been met. So Neal simply sent him to Londongrad to found an Academy for the future.
With Invermir's cultural expansion into the icy northern waters, Russian Settlers were able to spread north to the Arctic:
Iceloyarsk was another long-term investment that would, short term, hamper the empire. Russia simply had to survive until the city could bear fruit.
And survive was the operative word. Slave revolts spread to St. Patricksburg (the newly rechristened Waterslavl) and continental politics continued to roil as the Greeks, Japanese, and Spanish declared war on the Arabs across the channel. So one Civilization had been destroyed and another was being dogpiled in the B.C. era! This level of early turnover was, to say the least, unprecedented. The normally inconsequential Alexander threatened to become a true monster.
The advent of Currency, with the trade routes it opened up, boosted Russian research considerably. Code of Laws came relatively quickly, allowing us to make some real trades and leave the Mongols squatting in the dust with their horses:
Before Code of Laws came online, though, Alexander made us an offer we could not reasonably refuse:
As Greece's war ally, and with the Hellenes at Friendly, Peter finally decided to march his troops out of Blokhov south to join in the fray. If we could snatch the Pyramids (and the other Wonders that came with it), we would be able to launch a Specialist Economy par excellence. And even if we merely aid in Mecca's downfall, our cultural pressure from Londongrad might be enough to bring it around eventually.
By 185 B.C., though, our army arrived to find itself alone. A few Greek irregulars marched around, pillaging, but in terms of serious attempts to take the city, the King of the World found himself alone (and even his effort was half-hearted):
More importantly, you can see a Great Scientist on Britain. He stands poised to start a Golden Age for a massive Monarchy/Caste System/Organized Religion civic switch, but he also offers up the possibility of Philosophy, which promises both Taoism and valuable trade bait. So which way should we go with that?
Here's a look at the Tech situation:
As you can see, the Inca are running away and hiding in the tech race. And Alexander wants more than Code of Laws for Construction, which we'll need if we want to make a serious run at Mecca. Philosophy would sweeten the pot considerably.
The diplomacy screen:
We are largely well-liked by those we want to be well-liked by. A war within the faith seems to be on the horizon, however, and we may end up having to pick sides.
So here's where we stand. How strongly do we commit to taking Arabia? What do we do with the Scientist? Am I missing anything ridiculous?
Here's the save:
capnvonbaron
Democratia gladii
Iceloyarsk? 
Reykjavostok!
Dunno how Sal managed to raise that army while building all those wonders. Ah well... I'd say march about the place, pillage some stuff, and hopefully someone will come along with a stack of something more serious and help you out. Is Alex's stack still in Inditaly?
Reykjavostok!Dunno how Sal managed to raise that army while building all those wonders. Ah well... I'd say march about the place, pillage some stuff, and hopefully someone will come along with a stack of something more serious and help you out. Is Alex's stack still in Inditaly?
Jaaboo
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Only one of Saladin's protective archers is nice but you know he'll dial up more. Pillaging seems to be the best move here, try to knock down some of those fabulous tiles around Mecca. I'm not sure if you want to start with the iron or not - taking out his metals is good but then he'll just spam archers (which is probably fine, I guess if you get catapults.)
Yared
That Guy
Yeah, suicide catapults.
madscientist
RPC Supergenius
I say pillage the Arabs into nothingness and start building a proper Catapult based army. You will need it anyway as I am sure Al or Julius one day is going to be looking to make Scandenavia their own.
Otherwise, great game so far!
Otherwise, great game so far!
woodman6035
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I say burn the scientist for a ga and whip up an army and take Mecca for the mids and whatever other wonders may be there.
CreeDakota
King
the great wall wont apply to South america will it?
It looks likes Alexander is going to be this game's Cyrus and Huyana will be the Mansa Musa.
Its too bad you can't see how FDR is doing in China yet.
Getting Mecca would bring your chances of winning up drastically. Build some suicide cats and take it down!
Its too bad you can't see how FDR is doing in China yet.
Getting Mecca would bring your chances of winning up drastically. Build some suicide cats and take it down!
IAM
Emperor
Pillage Sal until you can take the city. I would pillage the tiles on the Greek border first. Once you take Mecca those tiles will be under Greek control for a while anyway. In this situation and with those Wonders in Mecca taking it should be priority. Whatever it takes.
Jehoshua
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Pillage. If you wan't to take mecca which is what i assume (even though you are supposedly being colonialistic) a concur with the chorus which says to get construction and build a bunch of suicide cats. That should surely allow the infidel russians to be the first amongst the kafirs to enter Mecca.
As to the GS if you want long term gain go academy if you want the immediate effect bulb philosophy. Personally im leaning towards bulbing as it gives you a holy city and excellent trade bait. Plus the Angkor wat is fairly useful for the specialists so you may want to build that in the holy city for the GP points.
Oh and you still need to explore more.
As to the GS if you want long term gain go academy if you want the immediate effect bulb philosophy. Personally im leaning towards bulbing as it gives you a holy city and excellent trade bait. Plus the Angkor wat is fairly useful for the specialists so you may want to build that in the holy city for the GP points.
Oh and you still need to explore more.
Kadazzle
Emperor
Alexander isn't as big as he was in my game. He took out the Arabs and India, and he was at war with both Toku and GK.
I'd go for a Golden Age rather than Philo. Go GA, switch Civics, then starve one of your cities to try and get a GP during the Golden Age, or a little after (using Caste System obviously).
I'd go for a Golden Age rather than Philo. Go GA, switch Civics, then starve one of your cities to try and get a GP during the Golden Age, or a little after (using Caste System obviously).
Getting Philosophy gives a +100% GP rate though, doesn't it?
Yeah, often better to get Phil before the GA, so that you can get an extra boost, and at the end, decide if you want to get out of Phil or not.
