IOT Developmental Thread
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Mathalamus
Emperor of Mathalia
no gold, no research, no stability.
Jeez, sucks to be you...
Mathalamus
Emperor of Mathalia
why does it suck to be me?
Zack
99% hot gas
Take it to VM. Please. No one cares.
DroopyTofu
Double Bass Double Bass
Why can't we just name it IOT V, <insert catchy subtitle here>.
Alright then.
-Tech should also either be really simple or taken out completely, it just adds unnecessary complexity and would slow down the game (this of course wouldn't restrict the player from coming up with their own "discoveries" here and there, for flavor and humor value)
This I disagree with. I like the idea of being able to research actual stuff that will actually effect the game. I mean, it's the Renaissance, the era of change and new discoveries. I'd simplify it considerably though.
I plan to get rid of stability altogether and just make you lose 50% of your income if you're in a war without a casus belli (with all your workers striking and rebelling and alll), how does that sound?
Actually, my system actually already does something like this, the main difference being that you can leave gold in your treasury for a rainy day. But yes, I can see that can potentially add too much confusion.
I also quite like the idea of smaller nations being able to challenge larger nations economically without having to expand, so size should not necessarily be everything. It's one reason I like to keep tech in the game so if you'd prefer to lead a small nation you can without being easy prey to larger nations, due to the bonuses you can get from tech.
I still want to GM economy and tech, and I don't mind calculating stuff. Since you think having bankable gold is too complicated I will get rid of that, but I'd like to keep tech bonuses and trade agreements since IMO they'd add a nice touch and helps if you don't like being a warmonger.
IMHO this would be unfair since you can still claim richer and poorer provinces the same way. And, I've made provinces so that the amount of income you can potentially get from each is not too different anyway (smaller provinces in Europe, larger ones in Siberia for instances).
Mathalamus
Emperor of Mathalia
no. lets stick with the old system. if you declare war cause you felt liek it, theres a risk others will declare war on the aggressor. thus ending a nations existence
*cough*south korea*cough*
Summary of the changes:
- the economic aspect has been stripped to the bare bones. As suggested by Joecoolyo, you'll only have income (not accumulative) you can spend each turn, and you'll lose the amount if you haven't invested them in anything (you can say you build a new palace with the spare cash or something, but it'd be RP only).
- Income can still be modified by tech (and this is in terms of base income rather than a %, so having tech level 5 is like having 5 additional territories). All income modifiers are gone save for a 50% penalty for declaring war without a casus belli.
- Research has been streamlined so that there are only two areas of research - military and civilian - and their effects are pretty straightforward (none of the +/- % income/combat modifiers)
- Stability is gone, although if you DoW without a CB you'll still get punished (see above).
- Money costs for diplomatic action is gone, although you're limited to the number of defensive pacts, alliances and DoWs you can sign each turn. Apart from alliances and wars, trade and diplomacy is now role-play only.
- Unit upkeep costs per turn are gone.
- Combat modifiers from tech are gone, although your army/navy strength can still be modified by RNG in battle.
- Tech cost and unit costs have been reworked so that they get more expensive the more you have.
- There's more, but those are the main ones, IIRC.
There's already a cap on the number of attacks (= expansion points), though I'm still thinking whether we should put a cap on the number of armies or navies you can own to prevent someone from having 30+ armies (theoretically possible) and creating headaches for the GMs.
- the economic aspect has been stripped to the bare bones. As suggested by Joecoolyo, you'll only have income (not accumulative) you can spend each turn, and you'll lose the amount if you haven't invested them in anything (you can say you build a new palace with the spare cash or something, but it'd be RP only).
- Income can still be modified by tech (and this is in terms of base income rather than a %, so having tech level 5 is like having 5 additional territories). All income modifiers are gone save for a 50% penalty for declaring war without a casus belli.
- Research has been streamlined so that there are only two areas of research - military and civilian - and their effects are pretty straightforward (none of the +/- % income/combat modifiers)
- Stability is gone, although if you DoW without a CB you'll still get punished (see above).
- Money costs for diplomatic action is gone, although you're limited to the number of defensive pacts, alliances and DoWs you can sign each turn. Apart from alliances and wars, trade and diplomacy is now role-play only.
- Unit upkeep costs per turn are gone.
- Combat modifiers from tech are gone, although your army/navy strength can still be modified by RNG in battle.
- Tech cost and unit costs have been reworked so that they get more expensive the more you have.
- There's more, but those are the main ones, IIRC.
There's already a cap on the number of attacks (= expansion points), though I'm still thinking whether we should put a cap on the number of armies or navies you can own to prevent someone from having 30+ armies (theoretically possible) and creating headaches for the GMs.
Spoiler full rules :
Lighthearter
President of the United States
For $1 a province, the tech cost is awfully high. 
And I'm still in the dark on combat. I'd suggest using a dice type system - I.E:
- All units have an automatic defense of ten.
- Every tech adds one to that number.
- Occasionally random modifiers like weather and terrain MIGHT be applied by the combat GM. MIGHT.
- A D20 is rolled for each side every turn. A 1 is an auto-miss, a 20 is an auto-hit.
- To hit manually, your die roll and tech modifier(same as with the defense modifier) must beat the enemy defense rating.
- A battle ends when one side has taken a certain amount of hits - I was thinking 3 to keep battles easier to calculate, but does anyone have an opinion?
- Same rules for sea combat.
- The only person who really needs to know all this is the combat GM, a role I volunteer to fill.
I'd like to put this to a vote. I'm thinking something a bit simpler then Tailless' might be for the best. This lets nation's tech come into play and doesn't complicate the game too much.
I'd also suggest an adviser/great leader/whatever you want to call them mechanic. Like there's one that gives a naval modifier, one that gives a land modifier, one that gives an extra buck or so in income, one that decreases research costs - you get the idea. Players have to spend money to track them down, but the benefits might be worth it. Let's vote on that too, shall we?
And did we ever decide if the Native Americans were penalized?
Just a couple thoughts.
- Lighthearter
- Lighthearter
And I'm still in the dark on combat. I'd suggest using a dice type system - I.E:
- All units have an automatic defense of ten.
- Every tech adds one to that number.
- Occasionally random modifiers like weather and terrain MIGHT be applied by the combat GM. MIGHT.
- A D20 is rolled for each side every turn. A 1 is an auto-miss, a 20 is an auto-hit.
- To hit manually, your die roll and tech modifier(same as with the defense modifier) must beat the enemy defense rating.
- A battle ends when one side has taken a certain amount of hits - I was thinking 3 to keep battles easier to calculate, but does anyone have an opinion?
- Same rules for sea combat.
- The only person who really needs to know all this is the combat GM, a role I volunteer to fill.
I'd like to put this to a vote. I'm thinking something a bit simpler then Tailless' might be for the best. This lets nation's tech come into play and doesn't complicate the game too much.
I'd also suggest an adviser/great leader/whatever you want to call them mechanic. Like there's one that gives a naval modifier, one that gives a land modifier, one that gives an extra buck or so in income, one that decreases research costs - you get the idea. Players have to spend money to track them down, but the benefits might be worth it. Let's vote on that too, shall we?
And did we ever decide if the Native Americans were penalized?
Just a couple thoughts.
- Lighthearter
- Lighthearter
Sounds good!
The only one I really have a problem with is the taking away of unit costs, I still think they should be in, as 1) To make sure someone doesn't over expand their army, because if they do, they won't have any money to spend on other things, 2) It makes money/gold all the more valuable.
Other than that, I think you did a great job simplifying it without taking away some of it's depth.
Mathalamus
Emperor of Mathalia
i still dont agree. take everything off. no economy no technology (the technology will be the GMs responsibility) no gold, nothing.
Mathalamus
Emperor of Mathalia
that's the point. i like it like that.
Zack
99% hot gas
That formula clearly doesn't work, Mathalamus. That's the point.
MathNerd
High on math (a, not e)
Economy and technology adds a huge layer of realism to the game. That way, people can't make ridiculously sized armies and time portals between IOTs. (Ahem )
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Mathalamus
Emperor of Mathalia
it didnt work because there were too many posts.
