Villager720
Warlord
As were Genghis Khan's Mongols.
Genghis/Ögedei Khan founded a cosmopolitan capital.
As were Genghis Khan's Mongols.
But if we want a Horseman culture in North America, why not go with the Comanche who actually established an empire of sorts?
Instead of the overdone Sioux who are only romanticized and except for a few battles were never as significant as other cultures.
Navajo, Pueblo/Anasazi, (I am glad the Iroquois got in, rarely discussed but a good civ choice), Apache, Illinois, Seminole, etc. would be better choices. In North America. And if you really wanted a horseman/plains culture the Comanche did have a fairly extensive nation for a period.
But if we want a Horseman culture in North America, why not go with the Comanche who actually established an empire of sorts?
Instead of the overdone Sioux who are only romanticized and except for a few battles were never as significant as other cultures.
Navajo, Pueblo/Anasazi, (I am glad the Iroquois got in, rarely discussed but a good civ choice), Apache, Illinois, Seminole, etc. would be better choices. In North America. And if you really wanted a horseman/plains culture the Comanche did have a fairly extensive nation for a period.
Because, as you yourself mentioned it, the Sioux are very romanticized and thus there are more people interested in them. And they have recurrently appeared in games, having appeared in games such as Civilization II, Colonization and Age of Empires III, so they feel familiar to many people.
But while I am not exactly a fan of either the Comanche or Sioux, the Comanche are still fairly well known. (In Texas, Oklahoma, etc. The Texas Ranger arose due to the Comanche etc.) Its just that the Comanche were a more interesting civ. As seen by their map their raids went all the way from Mexico to the Eastern U.S. At their peak there were more than 2,000,000 horses in Comancheria and developed as the biggest horse based civ in North America.
As were Genghis Khan's Mongols.
But if we want a Horseman culture in North America, why not go with the Comanche who actually established an empire of sorts?
Instead of the overdone Sioux who are only romanticized and except for a few battles were never as significant as other cultures.
Pff, I don't want to get nationalistic at all, but Hungary and Poland bummer civs???
Maybe for you
Actually they are at least as popular as your choices or some of the already known dlc and expansion civs
Not the mention that they are historically way more important than the Zulus and many other already included civs
As were Genghis Khan's Mongols.
<----- ThisAnd then they conquered the world's largest empire. The Mongols as empire managers is their qualifications as a civ, not the Mongols just living in Mongolia pre-Temujin.
And then they conquered the world's largest empire. The Mongols as empire managers is their qualifications as a civ, not the Mongols just living in Mongolia pre-Temujin.
If you count the Great Sioux Nation (which is really a bunch of similar tribes and at least three dialects/language groups), their territory is decently large. From an American perspective, they were often the bigger obstacle (although that might also just have to do with the direction of western expansion). None of this should really matter for choosing a civ, I'm just pointing out that their territory was actually comparable to the Comanche.
This is a better map
The Sioux nation included (on the map) Hunkappa, Teton, Minicoujou, Oglala, Yankton, Yanktonai, Mdewakanton, Sisseton, Santee, Wahpekute, and Wahpeton.
It still doesn't solve their lack of cities and the fact that they were really just one of many nomadic, militaristic tribes (the kind that really are well-represented by Barbarians in the game).
5 known:
my guess for the other 4:
Austria-Hungary for the victorian scenario
Zulu in the same victorian scenario (IIRC, Zulu conquest was around that time - Zulu with mechanical weapon!!!)
if we consider fan service, Poland is the top contender and it may be related to the medieval scenario
If the 10th icon is totemism and not tengriism, we may need another northern amerindian civ (a more "great plains" related maybe).
So i'll go with Indonesia (with Senopati as a leader), Austria-Hungary (François-joseph), Zulu (Shaka) and the Sioux (Sitting Bull)
So far I think this is a very good prediction. Actually at the moment it's the same as mine, except for Indonesia.
I think the Scenarios might be a hint here. Of course they can have "scenario-only" Civs like the ones in the Ancient Wonders scenario.
Fall of Rome scenario
Celts, Carthago and Byzantine are confirmed Civs and fit nicely here
Medieval scenario
I wonder do they mean like a year 1200 or 1500? I think the info for it has been vague so far.. I think the lead designer has designed a board game that takes place in the later medieval era. Poland might fit it and Sweden. Both have loads of Civ fans too so might be a good marketing move.
Victorian scenario
Dutch had american colonies, and could represent the Boers maybe too. Austria and Zulu would fit to the scenario very well.
So overall I predict:
Austria
Sweden
Sioux
Zulu or Ethiopia.
I think in colonization the city names were the tribe names, I think Oglala was the capital, Hunkpapa was another, etc. Given that you generally found less cities in Civ V I think they could go that direction.
I still think, honestly, Mississippi would be the best with Tuscaloosa as the leader, given the many cities and accomplishments of the Mississippi. I'd have their unique ability tie into their mound building, maybe a culture gain version of the Korean bonus where they gain bonus culture from every culture building/wonder they build in the capital and have them build Platform Mounds instead of castles, which can be built with Theology and have a GE slot, and increase city attack to 3 tiles away.
But this forum is about guessing the four remaining civs, and I think we'll be seeing an incredibly animated Sitting Bull staring back at us in about 4 months speaking Sioux and threatening us with his Mounted Warriors.
So far I think this is a very good prediction. Actually at the moment it's the same as mine, except for Indonesia.
Fall of Rome scenario
Celts, Carthago and Byzantine are confirmed Civs and fit nicely here