Navelgazer
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So there are a few threads running about concerning mechanics and graphics for Civ 7, which are certainly important (personally, I like the graphics style choices they made for Civ6, especially once they got into later DLCs, and think they're already showing that they'll age better than any "realistic" style would, but it's a less important issue for me.)
For me, the most important thing I'm fixated on is: What will the Civs and Leaders be?!
So I'm posting a far-fromt-complete collection of Civs/Leaders I'd love to see, some of which are absolute pipe-dreams, but whatever, I can dream if I want to.
AFRICA:
Songhai: This was one of my favorite options in Civ5, and I'd love to see them return, either as a quasi-replacement for Mali (one of my favorite designs in Civ6 with ether leader) or in addition to them. Leaders could be either a returning Askia or Sonni Ali (and honestly, the Civ5 flavor of Songhai probably made more sense for Sonni Ali than for Askia given their most noteworthy accomplishments) but either way, this is a cool part of the world to dive into the history and culture of.
ASIA:
Mughal Empire: Firaxis is never going to not have Gandhi, it seems like, but dang it'd be cool to see a Mughal Emperor in the mix somewhere. Babur and Akbar are obvious choices, and probably the way that this would need to go for taking a real swing at this, but I'd really like Shah Jahan, sort of in the vein of Ludwig II, playing as a Wondermongering Culture Monster.
Siam: Another one I'd love to see return from Civ5. I enjoy the SEA civs a lot, and while it seems like there's a cap on how many of them we can get per game, I'd welcome more of them in Civ7. (Khmer and Vietnam are two of my go-tos in Civ6, and I don't know what it is about the region that leads to such interesting mechanical design, but there seems to be something there.)
EUROPE:
Florence: We've had Rome as a series mainstay, and Civ5 gave us Venice as a highly individual way of playing a Medieval Italian city-state as a different kind of empire. But as far as I know, we've never had a representation of Renaissance Italy, which is wild. A Florentine civ under Cosimo or Lorenzo de' Medici could open up a lot of design space (perhaps earning more gold in Golden Ages and discounts on GP patronage in Golden Ages, or some variation on Eleanor's ability, but I'm imagining Civ6 mechanics which likely won't apply anymore)
Ireland: Specifically, led by Grace O'Malley. Now, if we're going to have a Pirate Queen Leader, Cheng Shih would really take priority for a number of reasons, being the most successful pirate in history, but Grace O'Malley actually did rule a dynasty, which I think makes her a better fit for Irish Leader than Cheng Shih would be for a Chinese Leader. It would be a highly specific way to play Ireland, of course, but assuming that Civ7 keeps the distinction between CUAs and LUAs, allowing for more than one leader per civ, it would be awesome.
Papal States: Or Holy See, or Vatican City, whatever you want to call it. Design-wise, Georgia and Byzantium pretty much covered what this could look like under Civ6 mechanics, and I'd want Florence before this if we're adding more Italian civs, but there's interesting stuff you could do here.
NORTH AMERICA:
America: Despite (or perhaps because of) being American, the American civ designs/leaders have rarely appealed to me. Civ6 changed that somewhat (I like Lincoln's design, mechanically, though flavor-wise it feels a little too cute and on-the-nose), but what I'd really love to see (and don't expect to see) is an American Civ with a Science focus led by JFK.
Cherokee: Native American civs are always tough, since the Tribes in question aren't always happy about being represented in the series, but if it's a possibility, I'd like to see the Cherokee as led by Sequoyah. (True, he was not a Leader in the governmental sense, but I think he falls under the same broader definition that Gandhi does.) I picture something like getting access to a city project each time you meet a new civilization which allows you to gain a massive amount of science and/or culture, but there are a lot of ways you could play around with this.
SOUTH AMERICA:
Argentina: This seems to me like the biggest "missing piece" of post-Columbian America that the series has left. Juan Perón is almost certainly too recent to work as a leader (though maybe not - Haile Selassie's timeline maps onto Perón's almost exactly.) I honestly don't know what Argentina would look like as a Civ, mechanically, but I'd like to see it.
I'll likely add more to this list as they come to me, but who would YOU really love to see, either returning or for the first time? Thanks!
For me, the most important thing I'm fixated on is: What will the Civs and Leaders be?!
So I'm posting a far-fromt-complete collection of Civs/Leaders I'd love to see, some of which are absolute pipe-dreams, but whatever, I can dream if I want to.
AFRICA:
Songhai: This was one of my favorite options in Civ5, and I'd love to see them return, either as a quasi-replacement for Mali (one of my favorite designs in Civ6 with ether leader) or in addition to them. Leaders could be either a returning Askia or Sonni Ali (and honestly, the Civ5 flavor of Songhai probably made more sense for Sonni Ali than for Askia given their most noteworthy accomplishments) but either way, this is a cool part of the world to dive into the history and culture of.
ASIA:
Mughal Empire: Firaxis is never going to not have Gandhi, it seems like, but dang it'd be cool to see a Mughal Emperor in the mix somewhere. Babur and Akbar are obvious choices, and probably the way that this would need to go for taking a real swing at this, but I'd really like Shah Jahan, sort of in the vein of Ludwig II, playing as a Wondermongering Culture Monster.
Siam: Another one I'd love to see return from Civ5. I enjoy the SEA civs a lot, and while it seems like there's a cap on how many of them we can get per game, I'd welcome more of them in Civ7. (Khmer and Vietnam are two of my go-tos in Civ6, and I don't know what it is about the region that leads to such interesting mechanical design, but there seems to be something there.)
EUROPE:
Florence: We've had Rome as a series mainstay, and Civ5 gave us Venice as a highly individual way of playing a Medieval Italian city-state as a different kind of empire. But as far as I know, we've never had a representation of Renaissance Italy, which is wild. A Florentine civ under Cosimo or Lorenzo de' Medici could open up a lot of design space (perhaps earning more gold in Golden Ages and discounts on GP patronage in Golden Ages, or some variation on Eleanor's ability, but I'm imagining Civ6 mechanics which likely won't apply anymore)
Ireland: Specifically, led by Grace O'Malley. Now, if we're going to have a Pirate Queen Leader, Cheng Shih would really take priority for a number of reasons, being the most successful pirate in history, but Grace O'Malley actually did rule a dynasty, which I think makes her a better fit for Irish Leader than Cheng Shih would be for a Chinese Leader. It would be a highly specific way to play Ireland, of course, but assuming that Civ7 keeps the distinction between CUAs and LUAs, allowing for more than one leader per civ, it would be awesome.
Papal States: Or Holy See, or Vatican City, whatever you want to call it. Design-wise, Georgia and Byzantium pretty much covered what this could look like under Civ6 mechanics, and I'd want Florence before this if we're adding more Italian civs, but there's interesting stuff you could do here.
NORTH AMERICA:
America: Despite (or perhaps because of) being American, the American civ designs/leaders have rarely appealed to me. Civ6 changed that somewhat (I like Lincoln's design, mechanically, though flavor-wise it feels a little too cute and on-the-nose), but what I'd really love to see (and don't expect to see) is an American Civ with a Science focus led by JFK.
Cherokee: Native American civs are always tough, since the Tribes in question aren't always happy about being represented in the series, but if it's a possibility, I'd like to see the Cherokee as led by Sequoyah. (True, he was not a Leader in the governmental sense, but I think he falls under the same broader definition that Gandhi does.) I picture something like getting access to a city project each time you meet a new civilization which allows you to gain a massive amount of science and/or culture, but there are a lot of ways you could play around with this.
SOUTH AMERICA:
Argentina: This seems to me like the biggest "missing piece" of post-Columbian America that the series has left. Juan Perón is almost certainly too recent to work as a leader (though maybe not - Haile Selassie's timeline maps onto Perón's almost exactly.) I honestly don't know what Argentina would look like as a Civ, mechanically, but I'd like to see it.
I'll likely add more to this list as they come to me, but who would YOU really love to see, either returning or for the first time? Thanks!
