Nikis-Knight
Deity
You need to vote for a resolution that passes to remove the penalty. (I hope the next vote isn't for leader )How can you redeem yourself.
You need to vote for a resolution that passes to remove the penalty. (I hope the next vote isn't for leader )How can you redeem yourself.
I didn't plan on intervening on this thread, but I'd just like to say that the real UN has its purpose.
That it is very useful in many circumstances
and that it is a shame that people think it is useless.
Of course, it is far from perfect, but it is not useless.
War criminals have been prosecuted because of the UN.
There are today much more international law than you can possibly believe because of the UN.
Programs against landmines
Programs against hunger.
Programs to assist refugees.
Programs against AIDS.
This may seem like small achievements to you compared to questions of World peace, but for the poor who has got something to eat everyday or who doesn't have to walk for miles to get water, it makes a hel of a difference.
Pomp I frequent http://alternet.org/ on an almost daily basis and I know whats the feeling in the liberal american community, however its a small, almost negligible part of the american people and can in no way nor shape represent the american people.
Some of those might make good random events.I didn't plan on intervening on this thread, but I'd just like to say that the real UN has its purpose.
That it is very useful in many circumstances
and that it is a shame that people think it is useless.
Of course, it is far from perfect, but it is not useless.
War criminals have been prosecuted because of the UN.
There are today much more international law than you can possibly believe because of the UN.
Programs against landmines
Programs against hunger.
Programs to assist refugees.
Programs against AIDS.
This may seem like small achievements to you compared to questions of World peace, but for the poor who has got something to eat everyday or who doesn't have to walk for miles to get water, it makes a hel of a difference.
They need to add a UN screen in one of the advisors with the following:
- Resolutions (passed, failed, n/a)
- List of civs in the UN
- Date of next election
Quite a few of us Americans are quite angry at our government for making us into the world's villains...of course, the Civ mechanic is, as always, an odd reflection of reality, since most of us don't quit our jobs and refuse to work because of our anger.
That is why several nations should defy resolutions that have to do with changing civics. This would also tie in with my above post about how this should add embargo/war declaration options in the UN. This could create political blocks similar to RL.
I think that a way to solve this would be to completely rework the UN and make it in this way: to vote also the consequences of defying a resolution, that is, how much powert the UN truthly has. On its highest level, defying a resolution would be a true problem and the UN could be a great instrument for world peace. On the lowest level (aka the real one), the UN would be an almost cosmetic accessory. Make the player (or whoever builds the UN) decide it. It will not only make the UN more interesting, but also you might have very different end game scenarios. For example:
Possible power levels of the UN:
Feeble:
Diplomatic protest: -1 to all the relationships with every other civ t hat abstained on the resolution, -2 with every civ that voted for the resolution.
Nascent:
-1 of happiness in all your cities, diplomatic protest and:
Trade blockade: You loose the benefits of the unique coin, you loose every trade route with the nations that accepted the UN resolution.
Solid:
-2 of happiness in every city, diplomatic protest, trade blockade and:
Weapon embargo: -25% to the production of military units.
Almost world like goverment:
-3 of happiness in every city, diplomatic protest, trade blockade and:
Military intervention: Just in case that you defy a military resolution (nuclear weapons, stop attacking X civ): 5 marine units with 4 of exp are granted to the attacked / adjacent civ.
Yes, but with our Malls and Hollywood, Broadway, AND Rock and Roll that's like a +9 right there. Add to the fact that we have EVERY luxury resource at our disposal and it makes us passive Hindu cows. Mmm... Manifest Destiny.
I mean look at the only time unhappiness got that high and we had MASSIVE war weariness penalties AND an emancipation penalty to boot (ahh Jim Crow).
Just to threadjack a BIT, it is interesting to consider the massive happiness boosts we have in the U.S. (40% culture rate to be fully gimped)
All told that's a whopping +34 happiness ... not too bad if you ask me.
- +9 We have Broadway, Hollywood, and Rock and Roll (+3 ea. with broadcast towers and malls)
- +4 more for culture from the Broadcast towers
- +3 for at least a tri religion city that we have (Free Religon)
- +3 more for the temples of said religon
- +3 for cathedrals spread throughout most of our major cities (assuming only one per city of course)
- +3 from the coliseums (w/ culture) Go <insert team name here>
- +1 from the markets (Fur is murder! )
- +3 from forges
- +5 for our theatres
Anyway, as you can see from that, those of us in the mildly populated Midwest love ourselves some Republican candidates as long as they keep feeding us our luxuries, but a constant defiance of UN measures (which wouldn't happen because we're the ones that set UN policy) could easily creep itself into the large metropolitan areas. I've had -15 before from war weariness and lack of emancipation and even with a +34 that's unhappy folks unless I have less than 19 population.
In the end I like how this works now. Much better imo
In Civ as in real life we should remember the vast wisdom of the Florentine, who said, "It is better to be feared than to be loved." Most Americans, rightly, don't give a damn what 'world opinion' or the hypocritical UN thinks about anything. American's political leaders should do what is in the best interest of their country, just as the leaders of other countries should do what is in the best interest of theirs.
The main reason the real UN doesn't exercise the feeble powers of reprisal it has against the US for overthrowing Saddam is straightforward; the US pays a larger portion of the UN's budget than any other nation. Go on, UN, please throw us out of your ridiculous debating society and save us the waste of the millions we give to you each year.
What gauls the Europeans is that they are no longer the center of the world, but have been reduced to fairly powerless second and third rate nations. So, instead of trying to conquer the world, as did France and Germany and Russia, the Europeans suddenly become the conscience of the world and lecture everyone else on morality. They look silly, so silly that the UN is the perfect place for them to spew their pacifistic nonsense.
And, yes, the UN has too much power in Civ, which is why I always turn off diplomatic victory. Civ is a simulation, which tries to follow, in very broad outline, the way history and nations and civilizations work. It does a fair job of this; it would make a good teaching tool for school students. But the Aposltolic Palace and UN are absurd in real life and bothersome in the game.
But more relevantly, why can't New York and California defy US legislature? They are relatively richer and powerful than many of the other states.