adhiraj.bose
Deity
Has anyone attempted this and won it ? Because it seems quite impossible to accomplish.
Cultural victory on marathon
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adhiraj.bose
Deity
Legendary culture in Epic mode is at 75000 whereas in marathon its 150000. I managed to get 75000 culture for almost all my cities before 1900 as the French, but that was in Marathon mode. It was after that attempt why I asked this question. Looks like a job for Youtien if you ask me !
Force44
King
Haven't tried it myself, but would starting as Egypt and continuing as Rome on easiest difficulty still fit your requirements?
That would give you a lot of turns and the ability to deny opponents their wonders.
(Rome ub gives additional GPpoints. Egypt starts at the start of the game. Easiest difficulty for faster tech to get the cultureyielding advances sooner.)
That would give you a lot of turns and the ability to deny opponents their wonders.
(Rome ub gives additional GPpoints. Egypt starts at the start of the game. Easiest difficulty for faster tech to get the cultureyielding advances sooner.)
adhiraj.bose
Deity
I am thinking of any start really not just for 3000 BC. However, based on what you say it seems the 3000 BC starts offer the best solution.
Xfactor
Warlord
Egypt is the best imo, you can get the sphynx for the prophet great works and 3-4 religions in your cities pretty easy - discover christianity, then either oracle divine right or just wait for arab spawn for islam, zoro from persia 4th one is really whatever spreads the christian culture wonders are gonna be of good use also egypt can defend itself rather well due to the choke point on the Suez Canal.
adhiraj.bose
Deity
The problem with Egypt is :
1) Roman invasion
2) Arab Spawn and flip !
3) Keeping up with the rest of the world.
This sort of problem is unfortunately common for most 3000 BC civs. There is some spawn which saps away your best cities or creates horrible problems for you. Or there is some invasion event.
Rome too won't be good because you'll have to deal with all the European spawns. The trick is to invest in military and science while keeping up culture.
1) Roman invasion
2) Arab Spawn and flip !
3) Keeping up with the rest of the world.
This sort of problem is unfortunately common for most 3000 BC civs. There is some spawn which saps away your best cities or creates horrible problems for you. Or there is some invasion event.
Rome too won't be good because you'll have to deal with all the European spawns. The trick is to invest in military and science while keeping up culture.
Force44
King
Don't be too gloomy about it. After all, problems are just opportunities in disguise 
Although the latest cultural victory I achieven in DoC is a couple of versions back I'm yet unconvinced a cultural victory in this version can't be done.
Although the latest cultural victory I achieven in DoC is a couple of versions back I'm yet unconvinced a cultural victory in this version can't be done.
adhiraj.bose
Deity
@Force44, did you play in normal mode or epic or marathon ? I have achieved cultural victories in earlier versions on normal mode, but my efforts to do so in epic or marathon have been failures.
Force44
King
In the past wonder stacking gave me one city with legendary culture for free (on marathon, emeror) relatively early for almost every civ.
A second one did not seem too much of a problem. The third one, now that would be the challenge.
The biggest problem to me seems to be the very long iteration cycle. Completing several games from start to (almost) finish on marathon takes a huge amount of time.
A second one did not seem too much of a problem. The third one, now that would be the challenge.
The biggest problem to me seems to be the very long iteration cycle. Completing several games from start to (almost) finish on marathon takes a huge amount of time.
Force44
King
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Just checked if this is still the case. It is. Cultural victory gets achieved at about 2/3 of the total gameturns (easiest difficulty though).
City states is your friend.
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Just checked if this is still the case. It is. Cultural victory gets achieved at about 2/3 of the total gameturns (easiest difficulty though).
City states is your friend.
adhiraj.bose
Deity
Could you please post a guide ? Which civ did you use to achieve this ?
Force44
King
Not really a guide, but I wrote down what I did under the spoiler tag to get to the cultural vicotry.
Spoiler :
for every citizen (so great persons net food)) and artist slots is very strong.)
adhiraj.bose
Deity
Not really a guide, but I wrote down what I did under the spoiler tag to get to the cultural vicotry.
Spoiler :
Seems the real trick is in the early game. I'll try this one time and let you know how it goes for me. The toughest bit here seem to be getting lucky with the chariot conquests in the very early game.
Imperator Knoedel
Simperator Knoedel
Really. Building a single chariot and reloading improbable fights until you win them no matter the odds? That's no guide, if I was willing to resort to such gratuitous cheating I might as well give me a tank with Worldbuilder instead. I can understand reloading if you are unlucky (e.g. losing a 99% battle) but reloading to get extremely lucky (winning a 1% battle) is imo not something that should be part of any serious guide.
adhiraj.bose
Deity
Really, cultural victory is perhaps one of the most difficult regular victory forms to get . Way more difficult than domination if you ask me (which I think is easier with the new expansion stability system) .
Imperator Knoedel
Simperator Knoedel
I don't believe that for a second, especially when you are starting from 3.000BC. Sure I guess you would win later than in BtS, but since the AI is incapable of winning itself all you have to do is win before the 2020AD deadline, and I can't imagine that being impossible. Maybe I should actually try it out next week when I'm done writing that paper for uni I have been putting off for half a year only to realize that I have to write 15 pages in four days and I haven't even started and why am I posting in forums when I should be working 
Force44
King
@ Imp.Knoedel
I'll choose to disregard you not reading all of the post. (try the first line)
And switch to the interesting part, when do you consider reloading legitimate?
A warchariot vs a fortified archer in Jerusalem is a chance of 41.3%. It takes you 98 turns on marathon (difficulty heir) to get there. These are your worst odds.
I consider replaying those turns with those odds a waste of time. (If you play out this scenario twice the result is already almost 66% to succeed at least once)
Honestly if you don't like these odds I recommend reloading games where you had a lucky victory and replay so that you lose that battle.
The impossible Lucky part will come into account because you will (likely) be doing this multiple times. It only takes 7 combats of 90% chance or worse for victory to have a chance less than 50% that you will survive (win) them all.
The real problem is that the combat in civ4 fails horribly (well, that might be putting it a bit strong, I consider it is just to be the weakest part of the game) civ1 did it much better.(it had absolute outcomes and zone of controll)
When people are playing your game wrong it is not the people who are faulty but your design that has failed.
I'll choose to disregard you not reading all of the post. (try the first line)
And switch to the interesting part, when do you consider reloading legitimate?
A warchariot vs a fortified archer in Jerusalem is a chance of 41.3%. It takes you 98 turns on marathon (difficulty heir) to get there. These are your worst odds.
I consider replaying those turns with those odds a waste of time. (If you play out this scenario twice the result is already almost 66% to succeed at least once)
Honestly if you don't like these odds I recommend reloading games where you had a lucky victory and replay so that you lose that battle.
The impossible Lucky part will come into account because you will (likely) be doing this multiple times. It only takes 7 combats of 90% chance or worse for victory to have a chance less than 50% that you will survive (win) them all.
The real problem is that the combat in civ4 fails horribly (well, that might be putting it a bit strong, I consider it is just to be the weakest part of the game) civ1 did it much better.(it had absolute outcomes and zone of controll)
When people are playing your game wrong it is not the people who are faulty but your design that has failed.
Imperator Knoedel
Simperator Knoedel
Wait, really? Huh, I thought the odds would be way lower than that. In that case I guess it's kind of okay if taken on its own, but your Chariot should still have taken some damage, enough to be killed when Jerusalem counterattacks the next turn, unless you move a tile away with your remaining move and heal before attacking again. Still, it just rubs me the wrong way that you are able to wipe out three civs and one independent city state with a single Chariot.
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