Archaeologists find European pyramid

wit>trope · Oct 29, 2005

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411366/622605

Archaeologists find European pyramid

A team of American and Bosnian archaeologists claim to have found two new pyramids buried under hills in Central Europe.

The scientists say they found ancient labyrinths and other sand stone buildings under two unusually shaped hills in central Bosnia.

They believe the ruins indicate the hills were once human settlements, probably built by a stone age "super" civilisation tens of thousands of years ago.

They are now trying to locate ancient stairs that would lead them to the entry of the pyramids.

This may be a piece in the puzzle not only of how the primitive Egyptians could have built their pyramids, but also of how all the various pyramids in Near East and Americas and Asia are connected -- it seems clear now to me that they all have their developmental origin from this ancient European "highly developed" "super civilisation." (I thought in a similar way before this discovery too) This would mean also of course that this "highly developed" "super civilisation" may be responsible for other parts of the those various civilizations' cultural development.

BBC also reports:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4377290.stm

Bosnia's leading Muslim daily Dnevni Avaz writes excitedly about "a sensational discovery" of "the first European pyramid" in the central town of Visoko, just north of Sarajevo.

Excavations at a hill site above the town have been going on for several months and initial analyses "have confirmed the original claim that this is Europe's first pyramid and a monumental building, similar in dimensions to the Egyptian pyramids."

"The pyramid is 100 metres high and there is evidence that it contains rooms and a monumental causeway ... The plateau is built of stone blocks, which indicates the presence at the time of a highly developed civilisation," the daily explains.

"Archaeological excavations near the surface have uncovered a part of a wall and fragments of steps," it reveals.

"Visocica hill could not have been shaped like this by nature," geologist Nada Nukic tells the daily. "This is already far too more than we have anticipated, but we expect a lot more from further analysis," she concludes.

Che Guava · Oct 29, 2005

Of course the super-civilization was european!

beat ya

:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=134251

The Last Conformist · Oct 29, 2005

How did they date it?

Oh, and there's nothing mysterious about how you build a pyramid - you only need plenty of rock and plenty of labour. During Egypt's Predynastic, Early Dynastic, and Old Kingdom we see a progression from simple stone mastaba graves to the monumental pyramids of Gizah. Much the same applies for Mesoamerica's pyramids.

Shaihulud · Oct 29, 2005

I wouldn't take this claim seriously, who are the archaeologist in charge of the dig? They quoted a geologist instead who is propably not an authority on ancient civilization. Ifyou believe stone aged civilizations are capable of building structures of 100m, I will say you are naive indeed, not to mention this unsubtantiated claims by this newspaper.

Shaihulud · Oct 29, 2005

Here is another source ancient pyramid with several lively comments at the bottom.

Grisu · Oct 29, 2005

<sarcasm> ....of course it must have been us europeans, because we all know that those primitive africans would have never been capable of this... </sarcasm>

The Last Conformist · Oct 29, 2005

Stone age civilizations did build pyramids of that kind of size - the Pyramid of the Sun at Teotihuacán is sixty meters high and has a base of about 200x200 meters.

Of course, Old Kingdom Egypt was close enough to a stone age civilization itself.

jameson · Oct 29, 2005

Claims of a European super-civilization are so 20th century.

wit>trope · Oct 29, 2005

@Che,

The first of the two articles I posted speaks of the European civilization that built it as "super civilisation" -- that's quote from the article, not my words

... and since the article says it is tens of thousands of years old, the influence couldn't have been the other way around since tens of thousands of years is older than Egypt et al.

Winner · Oct 29, 2005

Well, I don't know what to think about it. The source doesn't seem to be very reliable. It would be great indeed, but I am sceptical.

(they say there are some accessible tombs inside? :confused:

)

wit>trope · Oct 29, 2005

I just hope none of these great super-ancient European "super civilisation" pyramids were accidently bombed by Clinton! lol

Anyone think this is connected with Atlantis?

Shaihulud · Oct 29, 2005

the Pyramid of the Sun at Teotihuacán is sixty meters high and has a base of about 200x200 meters

I didn't know that and without metal tools, thats pretty amazing! However I still doubt the source of this story.

Mongoloid Cow · Oct 29, 2005

I was wondering how long it would be for someone to mention Atlantis. Am I the only person who thinks Plato made it up, with or without basing it off Helice?

*sigh*

Anyway, on topic, I sincerely doubt it is tens of thousands of years old. But I do find it a strange occurance that there is an ancient pyramid in Europe (assuming this is true and legitimate), and that pyramids were also built in the Americas, Egypt, Sumeria and China.

Winner · Oct 29, 2005

cierdan said:
I just hope none of these great super-ancient European "super civilisation" pyramids were accidently bombed by Clinton! lol

Anyone think this is connected with Atlantis?

Is there any evidence for the Atlantis at all, aside from the Plato's texts?

We know the first civilisations have formed maybe 10,000 BCE. It is possible some of them disappeared leaving only scarce evidence of their existence. This "pyramid" (assuming it isn't a mystification) may be a work of one of them.

The Last Conformist · Oct 29, 2005

Mongoloid Cow said:
I was wondering how long it would be for someone to mention Atlantis. Am I the only person who thinks Plato made it up, with or without basing it off Helice?

I'm inclined to think Plato made it up, or alternatively stole the story from someone else who had made it up.

Anyway, on topic, I sincerely doubt it is tens of thousands of years old. But I do find it a strange occurance that there is an ancient pyramid in Europe (assuming this is true and legitimate), and that pyramids were also built in the Americas, Egypt, Sumeria and China.

Pyramids in China? Didn't know they built pyramids there.

But I don't think it's hugely surprising. If you want to build something freakingly big, a pyramid is about the least challenging option from the engineering viewpoint. Since early civilization generally had plenty of labour but very limited technology, it's not so strange they often went for pyramids.

Mongoloid Cow · Oct 29, 2005

Winner said:
Is there any evidence for the Atlantis at all, aside from the Plato's texts?

We know the first civilisations have formed maybe 10,000 BCE. It is possible some of them disappeared leaving only scarce evidence of their existence. This "pyramid" (assuming it isn't a mystification) may be a work of one of them.

On the first question, no. There is not.

Although the first civilisations began to emerge in 10,000BC (in the arid regions of Anatolia, India and the Levant AFAIK), none of them reached a level of sophistication to be able to architect, organise, craft, carve and build a structure as complicated or large as a pyramid. Early settlements seemed to use mud bricks, clay, and plant products. It is entirely possible that there could have been a forgotten civilisation (without leaving remains) in Europe too, although it was exceptionally difficult to move in pre-Roman times with largely thick impassable forests. Some regions in Europe (such as the Harz) were only able to be penetrated as late as the 1200s.

Xen · Oct 29, 2005

Winner said:
Is there any evidence for the Atlantis at all, aside from the Plato's texts?

Tartessos fits the Atlatis description to a tee. even better then the Minoans do.

Mongoloid Cow · Oct 29, 2005

The Last Conformist said:
Pyramids in China? Didn't know they built pyramids there.

But I don't think it's hugely surprising. If you want to build something freakingly big, a pyramid is about the least challenging option from the engineering viewpoint. Since early civilization generally had plenty of labour but very limited technology, it's not so strange they often went for pyramids.

The tomb of the first emperor is considered a pyramid, and is often sited as proof that the Chinese also built pyramids. I don't know of any others but then again, I don't know much at all about China. I agree with you on the pyramid point from an engineering perspective.

The Last Conformist · Oct 29, 2005

@Xen: With the little exceptions it wasn't on an island and it didn't sink.

luiz · Oct 29, 2005

Why the fact that there were pyramids in Europe "proves" or even hints at the existence of some ancient super-civilization? And why would such civilization be european, and not african or asian? Frankly this thesis smells like racialist BS from the late XIXth Century ('coloured people are unable to build such great things'!).

Face it cierden, the "darkies" were ahead of europeans for most of history.

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