Term 3 Presidential Run-off Poll!

This is the Presidential Runoff poll, the sudden death of two politcal titans, battling to the death for the ultimate position of power! This poll will last for 48 hours, and at which time a new president shall be chosen.

Licentia, i present to you, you presidential hopefuls, 1/3 of executive power,

Chillaxation and Strider!!!


So vote, now, if your reading this post, you must vote, or else!

I vote for Strider (again) and encourage all other citizens to do so.

I voted for Chill and encourage all people too. IMAI&WSO he is the better candidate

I too vote for Chill and encourage all who voted for me to vote for him also. His platform is well thought out and in my opinion better. His city specialization ideas need to be used now before it gets too late in the game.

I officially drop out of the presidential election.

The purpose of proposing the Co-Presidency, was for both Chill and I could complete our platforms. I can complete alot of my platform, nay, most of my platform without holding this poistion. Chill, however, does not have that privaleage. I would much prefer to see as much done as possible, and this is the easiest way to make sure that it's done.

With alittle cooperation from Chill, I would beable to complete my platform also.

I apologize to those who voted for me, but I promise that the platform I proposed will be completed, regardless.

Usually, I would have waited to see if Chill was going to win anyway.. and just let the election run it's course if so, but I believe Chill was planning on dropping out if the co-presidency did not work out. So I decided to do it before he could.

I am only interested in improving the game, and this seems to be the best way, at the moment, to carry out my interests.

I apologize.

Shucks, I already voted for Strider :-/

CivGeneral said:

Shucks, I already voted for Strider :-/

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Does it matter one way or the other? It's not like there is any other candidate to oppose chill, and I've already dropped out.

I encourage everyone to still vote, it would be interesting to see how this would have turned out.

Can the censor declare this election over, for we can get going?

There is only one candidate remaining, it's done with.

Well, there's not much in our laws about dropping out of an election. And we do not have a full judiciary in place to guide us. The argument can be made that the election must proceed. If you win, Strider, you can always resign but that would not automatically make Chillaxation president. The office would be vacant and would then have to be filled according to our laws. There could also be another tie. Citizens are still voting for Strider long after he posted his desire to withdraw.

It is time we turn to the censor and hear what he has to say about this.

Things will get more interesting if Strider wins this.

I think......dont matter the outcome we are heading to a JR. But the thing is this..if the JR declares the Presidential election improper, they indirectly declare the CJ appointed by the this President also void, thereby nullifying their decision...circular logic?

In other words....this is a fine mess you guys have gotten us into with the talk of a co-president and now a resignation during the proper run-off. Why couldn't you both have justed waited for the run-off to be decided?

We need a major rewrite of the CoL because of this. Including a provision for the previosu CJ to serve until a replacement is named. Same goes for the Censor.

First a whole term with no judicial action at all, and now this. Talk about a big swing.

If it had been possible to plan ahead for this (not that I'm saying anyone would be able to pull it off of course) I can't think of anything which would generate more interest, at least for the legally inclined.

I think that if we moved Judicial Elections to be held during the middle of the month (near the 15th), we could avoid a situation like this one. That way our Judiciary would still be in their term when regular elections were held, and our Triumvirate, Cabinet, and Governors would be in their term when Judicial elections are held.

Thoughts?

I think its a good idea. Even if someone is in a office and wants to move to the judicial they can resign their office. The only problem is when we go from judicial to an non-judicial office since that coudl creat a similar problem as to now.

I assume you also include our Censor in that mid month election?

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Well, there's not much in our laws about dropping out of an election. And we do not have a full judiciary in place to guide us. The argument can be made that the election must proceed. If you win, Strider, you can always resign but that would not automatically make Chillaxation president. The office would be vacant and would then have to be filled according to our laws. There could also be another tie. Citizens are still voting for Strider long after he posted his desire to withdraw.

It is time we turn to the censor and hear what he has to say about this.

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Not much? Don't you mean nothing?

Actually, there is nothing on alot of things in our constitution, and to much on many others.

I broke a new record, and waited for about 2 months before looking at the constitution, but it's kind of hard not to do. I still haven't read it all, I'm afraid my eyes might start bleeding.

It's salivating with tradition, for something that was supposedly created by mostly newer players, it's got a hell of alot of old concepts. A year ago, everyone was jumping for excitment to try something new, and now we actually have a chance to try something completely new (and actually make it work) no one goes for it?

Am I just missing something, or did the world go insane?

robboo said:

I think......dont matter the outcome we are heading to a JR. But the thing is this..if the JR declares the Presidential election improper, they indirectly declare the CJ appointed by the this President also void, thereby nullifying their decision...circular logic?

In other words....this is a fine mess you guys have gotten us into with the talk of a co-president and now a resignation during the proper run-off. Why couldn't you both have justed waited for the run-off to be decided?

We need a major rewrite of the CoL because of this. Including a provision for the previosu CJ to serve until a replacement is named. Same goes for the Censor.

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Wouldn't have been a problem if the COL was even worth it's weight to begin with.

It's near impossible to predict a situtation like this, but it is very possible to provide enough flexibility to account for anything that does come up. Guess what it lacks in? Yeah.. I just said it... and it rhymes with flexibility.

This is exactly the attitude that scares away alot of people, not everyone has read the constitution word for word, and we should not expect them to read it word for word.

Blame me all you want for pointing out (by pure accident also) that our COL is flawed.

DaveShack said:

First a whole term with no judicial action at all, and now this. Talk about a big swing.

If it had been possible to plan ahead for this (not that I'm saying anyone would be able to pull it off of course) I can't think of anything which would generate more interest, at least for the legally inclined.

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Why is everyone making a big deal out of this? We fix it, and we move on. Simple and Easy.

The COL says nothing about dropping out of an election, so guess what that means? General Concensus... as I see no one actively opposing a candidates right to drop out, that basically means no one is opposed to it. Post a poll if you like, but I doubt you'd get many (if anyone) opposed to it.

Hell, what would be the point of opposing to it, other than to just stir up trouble? Even if you can't drop out, I'll just resign anyway. After (if I many point out) appointing a Vice President. So, there would be no vacancy.

This isn't the end of the world, hell... it isn't even a crisis. At best, it's a unique situtation that many of us will remember fondly in acouple months. "Hey, remember that time when we were missing both a President and Chief Justice?"

It's this type of thing we need more of inside of the game, no one is trying to rip someone elses head off over it (atleast not that I've seen). Everyone's been civil, friendly, and it's drummed up everyones interests. Controversy is what we need inside of the game, Controversy that turns ugly and turns players against eachother is not what we need.

Sigma said:

I think that if we moved Judicial Elections to be held during the middle of the month (near the 15th), we could avoid a situation like this one. That way our Judiciary would still be in their term when regular elections were held, and our Triumvirate, Cabinet, and Governors would be in their term when Judicial elections are held.

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It's a good idea, but the current form it is in may cause problems (for the reason Robboo pointed out). So we could always hold elections at the same time, and have the Judiciary start their term the 15th.

We could also allow the last terms Judiciary to handle election controversies.

Or we could run the elections the same time, and have the Judiciary start the 3rd (or 4th, 5th, whatever) day of the month.. instead of their term ending at the end of the month

All of these would fix the problem.

I believe that triumvirate positions don't have deputies, so resigning would vacate the seat, requiring an election or appointment by teh secretary of state.

Here's a question of the old-timers from the Civ III DGs. Didn't we once have a situation where the issue of someone dropping out of an election came up? Can't remember what the situation was or how it was handled. Anyone remember this? Something to talk about while we wait.

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Here's a question of the old-timers from the Civ III DGs. Didn't we once have a situation where the issue of someone dropping out of an election came up? Can't remember what the situation was or how it was handled. Anyone remember this? Something to talk about while we wait.

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It's happened several times in the past, and every time it wasn't even discussed if the drop out was legal or not. If it was a two candidate race, they declared the remaining candidate the winner.

I'll see if I can dig up some actual evidence, but I doubt I'll beable to find anything. We've had many elections in Demogame history, and I sure as hell not going to dig through all of them.

Of course, most of those drop outs were due to emergencies or something else that came up. I just basically said I concede defeat when my opponent was winning by one vote (5-4 when I posted) and the poll was only started abotu 4 hours ago.

Makes me wonder if I would be winning right now, if I hadn't of said anything.

Strider said:

Why is everyone making a big deal out of this? We fix it, and we move on. Simple and Easy.

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Darn right, just like we fixed several other things which have come up before this. As I see it, the only snag has been not just going straight to a runoff.

Withdrawing from the race shouldn't have caused any controversy. It has been done half a dozen times before, and like you said nobody complained. It's very unusual for votes to keep coming in for the withdrawn candidate though, what are people trying to do anyway.

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I encourage everyone to still vote, it would be interesting to see how this would have turned out.

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Dave here is your answer on why people are still voting...

I am going to valiate the pool when it closes, for whoever gets the most votes. If you win just resign. I'm not very interested in going extra-legal right now, but i think there should be joint CD's and JR's into the matter