BirdNES 3 Survey

Birdjaguar · Nov 25, 2008, 06:13 PM

I have been working on a new NES that is really a redo of my first one with major changes. Before I expend the effort to finalize all the various aspects of this game I would like to gauge how much interest there might be, so please vote based on the summary descriptions posted here. You may ask questions and offer suggestions too.

Game begins 1492ish
5 year turns

Rules would use the best or most appropriate parts of BirdNES 1 & 2 including:
VoD and Trade
Less elaborate black box stats
Mercenary armies
European transition from mercenary to standing armies
Policies
Colonies
Religious strife

New items being developed:
Battle calculator to resolve wars
Regional as well as national stats
Clearly defined tech tree for weapons and warships
Government type impact on economics and tech change
Automatic spread of technology across regions

New Roles
BirdNES 1 had nation players and a Pope who had a different kind of role in the game, and towards the end, a pirate leader who preyed upon the lucrative trade between America and Europe. I have been working on several more non nation roles that might be fun: Bankers who would supply cash to needy nations (which all were in this time); Mercenary army leaders who will raise armies and rent those troops to European nations for gold; and possibly traders who will try to connect the world’s markets for their own profit. None of these are definite yet, except the Pope. I have sketched out how each might work, but making them integrate smoothly into play has yet to happen.

The tech tree is pretty far along and should enable me to include both European arms and armor along with those of the Americas, Africa and Asia. I am building it to reflect the advantages the Europeans had, but make progress and catch up possible by the non European regions. The three core paths are: a nation’s economic system, its progress in manufacturing technique and the weapons age it is in. The tree ends with the 19th C advancements of the percussion cap musket, Napoleonic cannon, and early ironclads.

The single biggest change will be the map. Europe and Asia will start as you might expect, but I plan on erasing all of the Americas, Australia and southern Africa and replacing those lands with entirely new land masses that will be cloaked until discovered. The new lands will be entirely new shapes. The "Americas" will still have the Aztecs, Incas, and Mayans as playable nations plus other tribes. It’s just that no one will know where they are until they are discovered. Nations will have to actually explore to discover new lands or find trade routes to the east. This means that the finished maps of the cloaked lands will be completely fresh and new.

Earliest expected start date: late Jan 09; most likely: Feb 09.

Thanks!

Azale · Nov 25, 2008, 06:32 PM

I would join this no matter the non-nation roles you include

Would there be any reworking of the map besides the cloak of darkness?

Birdjaguar · Nov 25, 2008, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azale

I would join this no matter the non-nation roles you include

Would there be any reworking of the map besides the cloak of darkness?

All the hidden land masses will be entirely new. I've started on the map and actually have the continents in place. The tedious and painful work of filling them out is next. Was that your question?

LightFang · Nov 25, 2008, 07:01 PM

I'd consider it, yes.

So that's what you meant by reworking the map. I had thought that you were just going to make new nations up.

Lord_Iggy · Nov 25, 2008, 07:15 PM

Is this the end of BirdNES2?

silver 2039 · Nov 25, 2008, 07:17 PM

Hell yes!!!

Birdjaguar · Nov 25, 2008, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord_Iggy

Is this the end of BirdNES2?

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpo...postcount=1973

Is my latest word on it.

Birdjaguar · Nov 25, 2008, 07:44 PM

Will who ever voted to play the non nation role let me know what roles interest you? I did not make the poll public, so I can't see who you are.

Birdjaguar · Nov 25, 2008, 08:12 PM

To show what the starting map would look like, I grabbed Sheep's map and hid the areas where I will have new continents. Ignore the nations, they are sheep's.

alex994 · Nov 25, 2008, 08:15 PM

I would love to join! But I have some problems with some of the things brought up.

What exactly do you mean a battle calculator to resolve wars (not battles)?

I'll bring other stuff up when they come up

silver 2039 · Nov 25, 2008, 08:16 PM

I see a mysterious land mass in the western corner.

dldnjstjr · Nov 25, 2008, 08:17 PM

What about the issue with Battle Calc vs Tactics?

Neverwonagame3 · Nov 25, 2008, 08:19 PM

I'd definitely play if it's anything like what's previewed.

Birdjaguar · Nov 25, 2008, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex994

I would love to join! But I have some problems with some of the things brought up.

What exactly do you mean a battle calculator to resolve wars (not battles)?

I'll bring other stuff up when they come up

It will resolve battles and therefore wars.

Birdjaguar · Nov 25, 2008, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silver 2039

I see a mysterious land mass in the western corner.

Where? I don't see one.

Birdjaguar · Nov 25, 2008, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dldnjstjr

What about the issue with Battle Calc vs Tactics?

What issue?

Ninja Dude · Nov 25, 2008, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Birdjaguar

Where? I don't see one.

Nice cover up.

Birdjaguar · Nov 25, 2008, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninja Dude

Nice cover up.

I'm practicing my mod skills.

alex994 · Nov 25, 2008, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Birdjaguar

What issue?

The calculator doesn't take into place tactics

Oh, you can win the battles and still lose the war bird

Does this mean awards for Birdnes 2?!?!

Birdjaguar · Nov 25, 2008, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex994

I would love to join! But I have some problems with some of the things brought up.

I'll bring other stuff up when they come up

I already brought them up.... Don't be difficult now, save it for the game.

View Poll Results: Would you consider playing ssuch a NES?
Yes	36	66.67%
Yes, but only if I could play a non nation role	11	20.37%
No	4	7.41%
Maybe if you made some changes like....	3	5.56%
Voters: 54. You may not vote on this poll

Nov 25, 2008, 06:13 PM	#1
Birdjaguar Quark Habitat Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 25,103	BirdNES 3 Survey I have been working on a new NES that is really a redo of my first one with major changes. Before I expend the effort to finalize all the various aspects of this game I would like to gauge how much interest there might be, so please vote based on the summary descriptions posted here. You may ask questions and offer suggestions too. Game begins 1492ish 5 year turns Rules would use the best or most appropriate parts of BirdNES 1 & 2 including: VoD and Trade Less elaborate black box stats Mercenary armies European transition from mercenary to standing armies Policies Colonies Religious strife New items being developed: Battle calculator to resolve wars Regional as well as national stats Clearly defined tech tree for weapons and warships Government type impact on economics and tech change Automatic spread of technology across regions New Roles BirdNES 1 had nation players and a Pope who had a different kind of role in the game, and towards the end, a pirate leader who preyed upon the lucrative trade between America and Europe. I have been working on several more non nation roles that might be fun: Bankers who would supply cash to needy nations (which all were in this time); Mercenary army leaders who will raise armies and rent those troops to European nations for gold; and possibly traders who will try to connect the world’s markets for their own profit. None of these are definite yet, except the Pope. I have sketched out how each might work, but making them integrate smoothly into play has yet to happen. The tech tree is pretty far along and should enable me to include both European arms and armor along with those of the Americas, Africa and Asia. I am building it to reflect the advantages the Europeans had, but make progress and catch up possible by the non European regions. The three core paths are: a nation’s economic system, its progress in manufacturing technique and the weapons age it is in. The tree ends with the 19th C advancements of the percussion cap musket, Napoleonic cannon, and early ironclads. The single biggest change will be the map. Europe and Asia will start as you might expect, but I plan on erasing all of the Americas, Australia and southern Africa and replacing those lands with entirely new land masses that will be cloaked until discovered. The new lands will be entirely new shapes. The "Americas" will still have the Aztecs, Incas, and Mayans as playable nations plus other tribes. It’s just that no one will know where they are until they are discovered. Nations will have to actually explore to discover new lands or find trade routes to the east. This means that the finished maps of the cloaked lands will be completely fresh and new. Earliest expected start date: late Jan 09; most likely: Feb 09. Thanks! __________________ Only kindness matters. Last edited by Birdjaguar; Nov 25, 2008 at 07:50 PM.

Nov 25, 2008, 06:32 PM	#2
Azale Natural Killer Cyborg Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 17,395	I would join this no matter the non-nation roles you include Would there be any reworking of the map besides the cloak of darkness? __________________ *호랑이도 제 말하면 온다 \| If you speak of the tiger, it will come.* - Korean Proverb NESes: End of Empires, Capto Iugulum Chat at #nes! Chat at #fiftychat! Leftists in the open! "im a volume shooter, they told me i need a permit for the scooter"**

Nov 25, 2008, 07:01 PM	#4
LightFang "I'm the hero!" Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	I'd consider it, yes. So that's what you meant by reworking the map. I had thought that you were just going to make new nations up. __________________ (-3.75, -5.23) "I'm Lighty, and I'm a proud member of #fiftychat and #nes!" I'm running a simple mafia game! Come play!

Nov 25, 2008, 07:15 PM	#5
Lord_Iggy Penguin in a Human Suit Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Yukon Posts: 23,269	Is this the end of BirdNES2? __________________ NESLife VI Life as You've Never Seen it Before!

Nov 25, 2008, 07:17 PM	#6
silver 2039 Deity Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 16,209	Hell yes!!!

Nov 25, 2008, 07:44 PM	#8
Birdjaguar Quark Habitat Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 25,103	Will who ever voted to play the non nation role let me know what roles interest you? I did not make the poll public, so I can't see who you are. __________________ Only kindness matters.

Nov 25, 2008, 08:12 PM	#9
Birdjaguar Quark Habitat Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 25,103	To show what the starting map would look like, I grabbed Sheep's map and hid the areas where I will have new continents. Ignore the nations, they are sheep's. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Only kindness matters. Last edited by Birdjaguar; Nov 25, 2008 at 08:23 PM.

Nov 25, 2008, 08:15 PM	#10
alex994 Hail Divine Emperor! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Breadbasket of USA Posts: 12,652	I would love to join! But I have some problems with some of the things brought up. What exactly do you mean a battle calculator to resolve wars (not battles)? I'll bring other stuff up when they come up __________________ -Everyone's kinda shady towards you,because noone trusts you-Amon Savag -When Nuclear War starts, and the American Eagle and the Russian Bear comes down the mountain and fight, they will claw each other. then as both are weakened, the chinese tiger will defeat both- Mao Tse Tung Chinese Fanatic at your service! Economic Left/Right: -1.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77

Nov 25, 2008, 08:16 PM	#11
silver 2039 Deity Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 16,209	I see a mysterious land mass in the western corner.

Nov 25, 2008, 08:17 PM	#12
dldnjstjr The Shrubber Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,681	What about the issue with Battle Calc vs Tactics?

Nov 25, 2008, 08:19 PM	#13
Neverwonagame3 Self-Styled Intellectual Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,933	I'd definitely play if it's anything like what's previewed. __________________ On unrealistic NESes: I play to win- including if that means playing to mod bias. NES Stories Disclaimer: Most characters in written stories speak more coherently then people in real life Warning: For those few who don't already realise, people aren't always honest in NESes. On WIs: I'm a historical determinist, but suspending disbelief...

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