TSG10 After Action Report

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Fun game. My main strategy was to raise CKNs then beeline rifles after astronomy to upgrade everyone and finish last civs.

But things went a bit worse than i thought...



Edit : Submission page doesn't work.

For some reason I cannot access the submission page
I'll attach my save here, hope it works.

I also got stuck behind Siam, did not meet India or Genghis until i broke through Siam with LSM. I did not leverage my UU, not a single CKN fired a shot
I think I wasted GL on CS slingshot, it worked but it took too long to start warring. Should have went for astronomy i think. Never tried that though.

India and Russia were a cake walk, as well as Greece. Mongols and Persia both repulsed my initial attack (mostly rifles) had to retreat and wait to upgrade to Infantry. Japan was last to fall, used mylast GS for Mech Infantry so that war lasted only 3-4 turns.

I think i need to explore faster and build/tech with my victory condition in mind next time. Fun map.

Please try the upload system now, appears to be functioning normally again.

Thanks to whoever got it under control.

I managed to sumbit it, although couple days ago. Finished on turn 235.

I just downloaded Maxym's save and submitted it using the submission page. It worked fine for me, and Maxym should have received an acknowledgement email from the system. I haven't changed anything.

If you are still having problems, please can you say more about what you see? One person says "It doesn't work", another says "Can't access the page". Are those different descriptions of the same symptom, or different symptoms?

Tabernak appears to have submitted OK.

AlanH said:

Tabernak appears to have submitted OK.

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Yes everything is normal now.

This was a very large and cumbersome map to work through a domination victory. So... didn't finish until 1912 for the grand finale after nuking three Greek cities to soften up for a landing in 1906.

Historically, Siam was first to fall, then Russia, then India. Mongolia, Persia and Japan were all best buddies, but I had to knock out their capitals and a few other major cities to keep their forces down. Happiness was always an issue in this game and had to gift several cities to India and Persia who were the most peaceful and friendly with me even after I conquered them.

I was at war with Greece probably 1/2 the game, very stubborn with his terms for peace, and his forces were always matching my technology and repelled invasion after invasion. So, in the end, I nuked his three closest cities including his capital and landed and took Athens to end the game.

Only five submissions to date, but I already see others beat my time, so I should have done something differently...

Good game, but at one point I thought Greece was going to win since they had Nukes 20 turns before I made my first one... and their army was twice the size of mine. Good thing they didn't take advantage of their superiority!

Domination Turn 189 1290AD Score 3156

Decided to try the Cho-Ku-No rush strategy as discussed in the Strat-Forum. Made two deviations:
1) Waited till turn 60 for RA signing; Poor Production Starting Location. Getting to the resources meant destroying hammers as well. So with all things to build for the rush I delayed 10 turns.
2) First SP I signed was Tradition. Wanted to expand as quickly as possible, to get Hills in workable city space ASAP. To develop the Spices we needed mining & calendar, so why getting a free worker so early, with no work to do.

In hindsight I could have signed RA’s in Turn 55. BTW, when I signed at turn 60, none of the other civs had the required money to sign, so I had to gift them money to get the RA’s signed.

At turn 90 I had ~1700 gold. Enough for 3 CKN’s and an upgrade of the Archer I built.

After getting my 4 Cho-Ku-No’s and 2 Horsemen I first took Belgrade, then Siam (left 1 town), India (left 1 town), annexed Delhi, Russia, Mongolia (left 1 town), Japan.
Researched Astronomy, bought 2 galleys in Delhi & Beijing, discovered Greece & Persia who were at war ;-). Build GW and Kremlin to prevent having to fight these. Greece and Persia only had pikes.
Bought 4 CKN’s and a Knight in Bejing, sailed over and took Athens. With my old army I sailed over to Persia. Landed on West coast and took one city and Persepolis that had a 32 strength, which took my vet CKN’s 3 turns to tear down.

Money was never an issues in my game, I ended up with ~4500 in Cash. Happiness was always around zero, with long periods running negative even up to -25 at one time. I finished with -17

Conclusion: CKN Rush strategy works. If I would have cranked out only CKN’s and Horsemen after turn 90, researching only up to Astronomy my finish could have been much earlier.

Development info (till turn 90)
Build:
Scout (7), Monument (15), Granary (32), Paper Maker (32 bought), NC (47), Barracks (52), Archer (60), Glib (62 from GE), Armory (71), HE (79), Horsemen (85)

Science:
Pottery (9), Writing (19), Mining (24), Calender (34), AH (37), BW (42), Phil (49), Arch (50), IW (57), Trap (59), Wheel (61), HBR (64), Masonry (67), Math (71), Constr (75), Sail (Block 76), Theo (Block 79), MC (Block 82), Curr (Block 85) (90)

SocPol’s:
Tradition (18), Liberty (26), Citizenship (39), Meritocracy (60), Honor (86)

Civs:
Siam (5), Russia (12), India (27), Mongolia (30), Japan (33)

Trades:
OB India (28), Gold for gpt Siam (32), OB Japan (33), Spices Japan (47), Spices Mongolia (56), OB India (58), RA1 & 2 with Siam & Russia, OB Japan (64), Spices India (65), Spices Russia (78), Horse for OB Siam (79), OB Mongolia (80), Spices Siam (87), OB India (89)

Man you guys are fast!

I never built a second city. This strategy works very well for adopting social policies, but relies heavily on your opponents having nearby cities worth puppeting so you can expand quickly. This seems to work well for me on deity, but took a while here on emperor while I was waiting for Siam to expand.

I was feeling pretty solid the whole game, due in large part to the insane growth rate of my capital city. I was up to 32 population by game end! This brought in loads of cash from trade routes, which I used to buy off all the city-states and purchase endless amounts of units. By game's end I had active armies on 4 separate fronts! I didn't sign a single research agreement, but I was still able to tech up to infantry and artillery by the time I invaded Greece and Persia.

Looks like I'm going to have to cut more corners next time if I want to remain competitive.

Question to Tabarnak:

Why did you still build a couple of cities, while you could have annexed?

Question to nthexwn:
Why did you have your city grow to size 32? I had issues with happiness whole game so I stopped Bejing at size 10 and my annexed city Delhi I left at size 9.

Didn't you have happiness issues? Or did you raze more than I did?

I ended up with 14 Cities: 1 of my own, Belgrade, 3 from 4 Siam, 1 from 2 India, 3 from 3 Russia, 3 from 9 Mongolia, 1 from 6 Japan and 1 from ? Greece. Most of them I kept because of the luxuries and the iron. BTW, only Russia had 1 iron source within their borders at the time of their defeat.

This is why I like social policies so much. With Monarchy, Military Caste, Theocracy, Cultural Diplomacy, and Freedom I was able to puppet 23 cities and still remain in the green! I didn't raze any of them.

killerloop said:

Why did you still build a couple of cities, while you could have annexed?

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I built cities before entering Siam's territory. With only 1 city i couldn't build an enough large army for some timeframes(some players like a small and well trained army, but CKNs can attack twice, raising XP a lot more and they can get buffs more rapidly. Maybe it's my multiplayer's style approach. In such games, quantity wins over quality). With 3 good produciton sites(buffed with early Landed Elite), i could regulary send new troops to keep warfare at a good pace(no waiting and fast kills). Annexing cities imply buying courthouses or hard build them. Can be a pain for happiness. I accumulated gold exclusively for new troops and upgrades.

General Strategy:
- Social Policy: beeline Honor's Professional Army, for earlier LSMs (build Swordsmen, travel first then upgrade in friendly border, ie. AIs Open Border)

- Tech Beeline: NC => Steel => Civil Service => Education => Astronomy => Rifle
- $ income: finance via peace treaty from 1st and 2nd target Civs; bribe other civs to war
- max grow Capital until all hammer tiles can be worked, then max production
- assign Engineer Specialist for a GE (to rush PTower), with Oxford, opens early Rifle

Hey Airey long time no see! Great game dude congrats!

My summary:
- NC then second city to the north, to grab the iron + marble
- Killed Siam (T98) with 3 swordmen and one C-K-N (first error was to delay this attack so much)
- Took Moscow (T134) with 3 Swordmen and 2 CKN
- Upgraded to LSM. I took Delhi on T147
- Went for the Mongols (bribed Japan to help me) and took the capital with 4 LSM + 3 CKN; T171
-Then I upgraded to Riflemen (here I used a GE to get the PTower at T167 but forgot about the Universities in a few cities ---I annexed Moscow--- and hence Oxford, so Rifle came at t180
- Then went for Japan. Kioto was captured on t190
- My major error was to think that we were in a Pangea map (Some time fractal maps are a kind of pangea). So I went too late for astronomy.
- But finally I bought two caravels, met Greece and Persia and took Athens with 8 riflemen and 2 cannons (T217).

It is nice to see sub T200 games with either LSM or C-K-N armies. I think my mixed army would be close to that, had I not delayed astronomy and the first attack.

THANKS Alan for uploading it. I was trying to upload it as I knew i would not have access to internet for a while and did not miss deadline

AlanH said:

I just downloaded Maxym's save and submitted it using the submission page. It worked fine for me, and Maxym should have received an acknowledgement email from the system. I haven't changed anything.

If you are still having problems, please can you say more about what you see? One person says "It doesn't work", another says "Can't access the page". Are those different descriptions of the same symptom, or different symptoms?

Tabernak appears to have submitted OK.

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Nice one! Just got back from my vacation and tried this GOTM. Domination is my favourite and this was a quite fast one.

Noticed, that Belgrade was near me, so strategy was to get it ASAP with 3-4 warrior. Building order was warrior-warrior-library-NC. I was able to steal 2 worker from Siam. Also, I could conquer all of his cities with warriors.

Went to Longswordsmen really fast and got the whole continent with 5-6 of them. I lost about 10 turns or so, because I thought this was a Pangea like map, so I had to wait until I got Astronomy.

Wow, you guys are fast! I was just happy I won after Alex nuked Beijing and knocked my economy back down.



Anyway, thanks again for putting this together. I always enjoy struggling through to victory only to find that the rest of the world is getting there in half the time...

FYI--I had two restarts from crashes somewhere in the early 200's I think but, once again, I'm not winning any medals here so I don't think anyone cares....

mcmpan said:

Domination is my favourite and this was a quite fast one.

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backnine31 said:

Wow, you guys are fast!

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Cheers to mcmpan! Awesome finish date dude!!!

I agree, that was a damn fast one.

I wonder if i can push enough CKNs to get same results when Astro is done, or if i really need upgraded Warriors to LSM somewhere. Only CKNs can be really tricky if you face too much melee units. I almost lost my army to Japan because of this. But sooner the better.