Religious Beliefs Elimination Thread

Xger · Aug 17, 2012, 04:58 PM

After reading through the Wonder elimination thread (and see a post about a hypothetical belief one) I decided to get this one going.

Post minuses to beliefs in RED
Post plusses to beliefs in GREEN
Post correction to numbers in BLUE and state the correction

-2 / +1 to start.

For the earlier part, you can vote twice in the same post (i.e. 2 different +'s and 2 different -'s )per 24 hours

Please remove the quote tags before you post your adjustments, be mindful of votes if you take a bit from starting the post until finishing it, and above all discuss your reasons!

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Lastly, given the number of beliefs (56 by my count), let me know if I missed any. Also each belief will start with 15 points.

Pantheon
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Founder
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Follower
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Enhancer
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53. Papal Primacy
54. Reliquary
55. Liturgical Drama
56. Religious Settlements

Pantheons:
Ancestor worship: +1

from shrines 15
Dance of the Aurora: +1 faith from tundra tiles without forests 15
Desert Folklore: +1 faith from desert tiles 15
Faith Healers: +30 health healed if adjacent to a friendly city 15
Fertility Rites: +10% growth rate 15
God of Craftsmen: +1

in cities with 3+ pop 15
God of the Open Sky: +1

from pastures 15
God of the Sea: +1

from fishing boats 15
God of War: Gain faith if you win a battle within 4 tiles of your city 15
Goddess of Festival: +1

/ +1

from wine and incense 15
Goddess of Love: +1

for city of 6+ pop 15
Goddess of Protection: +30% city ranged attack strength 15
Goddess of the hunt: +1

from camps 15
Messenger of the Gods: +2

in cities with

15
Monument to the Gods: +15%

of ancient/classical Wonders 15
One with Nature: +4

from natural wonders 15
Oral Tradition: +1

from plantation 15
Religious Idols: +1

/ +1

from gold and silver 15
Religious Settlements: +15% faster border growth 15
Sacred Path: +1

from jungle 15
Sacred Waters: +1

from cities on a river 15
Stone Circles: +2 faith from quarries 15
Founder:
Ceremonial Burial: +1

for each city following religion 15
Church Property: +2 gold for each city following religion 15
Initiation Rites: +100 gold when each city first converts to this religion 15
Interfaith Dialogue: Gain

when a missionairy spreads this religion to cities of other religions 15
Papal Primacy: +15 resting point influence to city-states following this religion 15
Peace Loving: +1

for every 5 followers in non-enemy foreign cities 15
Pilgramage: +1 faith for each foreign city following this religion 15
Tithe: +1 gold for every 4 followers of this religion 15
World Church: +1

for every 5 followers in cities of other civilizations 15
Follower:
Asceticism: Shrines provide +1

in cities with 3+ followers 15
Cathedrals: Building; +1 faith / +3 culture / +1 5happy 1 artist slot 15
Choral Music: Temples give +2

in cities with 5+ followers 15
Divine Inspiration: World wonders give +2 faith 15
Feed the World: Shrines and Temples give +1 food 15
Guruship: +2

if a city has a specialist 15
Holy Warriors: Use faith to purchase pre-industrial land units 15
Liturgical Drama: Ampitheaters give +1 faith for cities with 3+ followers 15
Monasteries: Building; +2 faith / +2 culture, more with wine/incense 15
Mosques: Building; +3 faith / +2 culture / +1 happy 15
Pagodas: Building; +2 faith / +2 culture / +2 happy 15
Peace Gardens: Gardens +2

in city 15
Religious Art: Hermitage +8 culture 15
Religious Center: Temples +2

in cities with 5+ followers 15
Religious Community: +1%

per follower, max 15% 15
Swords into Plowshares: 15% faster growth rate if not at war 15
Enhancer:
Defender of the Faith: +20% combat strength near friendly follower cities 15
Holy Order: Missionairies and Inquisitors cost 30% less 15
Itinerate Preachers: Religion spreads 30% further 15
Just War: +20% combat strength near enemy follower cities 15
Messiah: Prophets 25% stronger and earned with 25% less

15
Missionary Zeal: Missionary conversion strength +25% 15
Religious Texts: Religion spreads 34% faster (68% after Printing Press) 15
Religious Unity: Religion spreads to friendly city-states at double the rate 15
Reliquary: Gain 50 faith each time a great person is expended. 15

PhilBowles · Aug 17, 2012, 05:03 PM

Although it might have been my post that made the hypothetical mention, I think there are too many religious beliefs and they're too contingent on which other beliefs you choose for this to work as effectively as the Wonder thread. For instance, Holy Orders might be relatively weak in many contexts, but it's a powerhouse with Interfaith Dialogue.

Xger · Aug 17, 2012, 05:04 PM

Pantheons:
Ancestor worship: +1

from shrines 15
Dance of the Aurora: +1 faith from tundra tiles without forests 13
Desert Folklore: +1 faith from desert tiles 15
Faith Healers: +30 health healed if adjacent to a friendly city 15
Fertility Rites: +10% growth rate 15
God of Craftsmen: +1

in cities with 3+ pop 15
God of the Open Sky: +1

from pastures 15
God of the Sea: +1

from fishing boats 15
God of War: Gain faith if you win a battle within 4 tiles of your city 15
Goddess of Festival: +1

/ +1

from wine and incense 15
Goddess of Love: +1

for city of 6+ pop 15
Goddess of Protection: +30% city ranged attack strength 15
Goddess of the hunt: +1

from camps 15
Messenger of the Gods: +2

in cities with

15
Monument to the Gods: +15%

of ancient/classical Wonders 15
One with Nature: +4

from natural wonders 15
Oral Tradition: +1

from plantation 15
Religious Idols: +1

/ +1

from gold and silver 15
Religious Settlements: +15% faster border growth 15
Sacred Path: +1

from jungle 15
Sacred Waters: +1

from cities on a river 15
Stone Circles: +2 faith from quarries 15
Founder:
Ceremonial Burial: +1

for each city following religion 15
Church Property: +2 gold for each city following religion 15
Initiation Rites: +100 gold when each city first converts to this religion 15
Interfaith Dialogue: Gain

when a missionairy spreads this religion to cities of other religions 15
Papal Primacy: +15 resting point influence to city-states following this religion 15
Peace Loving: +1

for every 5 followers in non-enemy foreign cities 15
Pilgramage: +1 faith for each foreign city following this religion 13
Tithe: +1 gold for every 4 followers of this religion 16
World Church: +1

for every 5 followers in cities of other civilizations 15
Follower:
Asceticism: Shrines provide +1

in cities with 3+ followers 15
Cathedrals: Building; +1 faith / +3 culture / +1 5happy 1 artist slot 16
Choral Music: Temples give +2

in cities with 5+ followers 15
Divine Inspiration: World wonders give +2 faith 15
Feed the World: Shrines and Temples give +1 food 15
Guruship: +2

if a city has a specialist 15
Holy Warriors: Use faith to purchase pre-industrial land units 15
Liturgical Drama: Ampitheaters give +1 faith for cities with 3+ followers 15
Monasteries: Building; +2 faith / +2 culture, more with wine/incense 15
Mosques: Building; +3 faith / +2 culture / +1 happy 15
Pagodas: Building; +2 faith / +2 culture / +2 happy 15
Peace Gardens: Gardens +2

in city 15
Religious Art: Hermitage +8 culture 15
Religious Center: Temples +2

in cities with 5+ followers 15
Religious Community: +1%

per follower, max 15% 15
Swords into Plowshares: 15% faster growth rate if not at war 15
Enhancer:
Defender of the Faith: +20% combat strength near friendly follower cities 15
Holy Order: Missionairies and Inquisitors cost 30% less 15
Itinerate Preachers: Religion spreads 30% further 15
Just War: +20% combat strength near enemy follower cities 15
Messiah: Prophets 25% stronger and earned with 25% less

15
Missionary Zeal: Missionary conversion strength +25% 15
Religious Texts: Religion spreads 34% faster (68% after Printing Press) 15
Religious Unity: Religion spreads to friendly city-states at double the rate 15
Reliquary: Gain 50 faith each time a great person is expended. 15

Cathedrals are great, can give one of the earliest, if not earliest specialist slots.

Tithe seems to be the go to founder belief, just easy cash flowing in and very unrestricted in which followers.

Dance of the Aurora: Tundra with forest is only ok with a deer. So improving a crappy tile with the worst yield long term seems baaaaad.

Pilgramage: Just so little gain for the effort. By the time you are getting a lot of faith from it, faith doesn't do all that much or you are producing a lot of it.

Xger · Aug 17, 2012, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhilBowles

Although it might have been my post that made the hypothetical mention, I think there are too many religious beliefs and they're too contingent on which other beliefs you choose for this to work as effectively as the Wonder thread. For instance, Holy Orders might be relatively weak in many contexts, but it's a powerhouse with Interfaith Dialogue.

It does seem a bit cumbersome, but we will see how it goes. As to dependence, a similar discussion has gone on in the wonder thread as different wonders only work with each other or very specific needs, so that portion seems less of an issue.

Camikaze · Aug 17, 2012, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xger

Please remove the quote tags before you post your adjustments, be mindful of votes if you take a bit from starting the post until finishing it, and above all discuss your reasons!

Moderator Action: Posting reasons for your votes is a necessary condition to participation in the thread. This is a discussion forum, not a copy + past a list forum. Posts not containing reasons will be considered spam- Camikaze

nefloyd · Aug 17, 2012, 06:21 PM

Ancestor worship: +1

from shrines 15
Dance of the Aurora: +1 faith from tundra tiles without forests 13
Desert Folklore: +1 faith from desert tiles 15
Faith Healers: +30 health healed if adjacent to a friendly city 15
Fertility Rites: +10% growth rate 15
God of Craftsmen: +1

in cities with 3+ pop 15
God of the Open Sky: +1

from pastures 15
God of the Sea: +1

from fishing boats 15
God of War: Gain faith if you win a battle within 4 tiles of your city 15
Goddess of Festival: +1

/ +1

from wine and incense 15
Goddess of Love: +1

for city of 6+ pop 15
Goddess of Protection: +30% city ranged attack strength 15
Goddess of the hunt: +1

from camps 15
Messenger of the Gods: +2

in cities with

15
Monument to the Gods: +15%

of ancient/classical Wonders 15
One with Nature: +4

from natural wonders 15
Oral Tradition: +1

from plantation 15
Religious Idols: +1

/ +1

from gold and silver 15
Religious Settlements: +15% faster border growth 13
Sacred Path: +1