Lohrenswald
世界的 bottom ranked physicist
well to be completely honest that is a very strange sentiment
ANYWAY
everything is horrible
effort and planning went into this ffs
Beggars (split from Random Rants)
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well to be completely honest that is a very strange sentiment
ANYWAY
everything is horrible
effort and planning went into this ffs
gay_Aleks
from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!
The guy looks like he could beat you up, anyway. Or, in any case, keeps a knife. Why would he be begging?
warpus
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So what are they saying, don't give your money to white males wearing touques? But instead to... who?
Lohrenswald
世界的 bottom ranked physicist
they are saying beggars are criminals
warpus
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All of them? Are they arresting them and stuff?
In feudal Japan, hai desu, kokoro-chan!
azzaman333
meh
well to be completely honest that is a very strange sentiment
ANYWAY
everything is horrible
effort and planning went into this ffs
There's a not insignificant number of beggars who do it as a way to make money without legitimately needing to do it.
Timsup2nothin
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Define "legitimately needing" please.
I remember the local news here doing a piece about a year ago about all the beggars that suddenly were turning up all over the city. It turns out most of them were actually poor, but they weren't homeless and they weren't using the money to help themselves. Most of the beggars they talked to freely admitted (under conditions of anonymity of course) they beg for money to support some sort of drug addiction they have. Of course this is just a sample size of one city, and this may not be the case everywhere.
Snerk
Smeghead
@Lohr: that propaganda poster is sad, and this thread's reaction to it is mostly sad too.
Why? Because some of us are actually skeptical of potential scam artists who try to prey on the goodwill of others? Maybe if there weren't scammers out there just trying to make a quick buck, posters like that wouldn't exist.
Perhaps. But people would be less likely to assume they are true.
Snerk
Smeghead
I dunno. It's an extremely conveniently lie for a lot of people.
Only because there have been actual scammers in the past. That lends an air of credibility to the lie. Of every single beggar that ever existed had been 100% legit, the lie would have zero credibility for most people.
Also, in some places it's not really a lie. Like here in Cincinnati. We really do have a problem with beggars that are just doing it to scam money out of people. Luckily, the police have been cracking down on them lately.
Snerk
Smeghead
Well I'm not familiar with any statistics on the matter so I'll be careful in saying what's fact and what's not. But from a general fellow human point of view I find it appalling to generally advise people not to be charitable to people living on the street due to a possibility of potential scammery.
Lohrenswald
世界的 bottom ranked physicist
what do you mean scam people for money
they are asking for help, they offer nothing in return
to give to a beggar is to give a gift
how can a scam fit into that
they are asking for help, they offer nothing in return
to give to a beggar is to give a gift
how can a scam fit into that
Snerk
Smeghead
Let's say said beggar isn't poor or homeless at all, but actually working at middle management in a successful company producing printer inc. He is only putting on a homeless outfit and begging for money for kicks and giggles and maybe also saving for a new hard wood floor.
Now that is a bit scammy now isn't it?
The likelihood if it, well, that's another thing.
Now that is a bit scammy now isn't it?
The likelihood if it, well, that's another thing.
It's a scam because of how they portray themselves. They present themselves as homeless or otherwise unfortunate, when they are anything but. Or, as it is here in Cincinnati, they beg for money saying they need food, and then they turn around and use the money to buy drugs. That is misrepresentation of circumstances, which definitely falls under certain definitions of a scam. Think about it: Who are you going to give money to? A beggar that says he needs the money for food, or the beggar that says he needs the money to buy some meth?
Basically, it's the dishonest nature of their actions that make it a scam. Like I said, they prey on the goodwill of others. Not to mention, I doubt any beggar, legitimate or not, is reporting that income to the IRS. So in that sense, all beggars are scamming the government out of tax revenue.
Because of course you have no minimum tax threshold and no possible way of knowing if you even qualify to pay that year or not.
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