Chofritz
Former Mr. Reloader
I'm not sure what you ment in your post Starlifter but you can't trade maps unless both you and the AI has Map Making, 
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starlifter
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Ohhhh duhhhh.... what a bonehead... I forgot about MM! Usually I get stuck with it by this point.
I've really been cursing those Sioux in particular.... I've been gifting unbelievable amounts, even to some non key civs! An no one would ally with me, and in general most are just cantankerous.
I've danced around MM and HBR and Masonry this whole game, to save science cost, LOL.... hmmm.... I should have just taken MM... everyone wanted to give it to me. And maybe should have tried the Super Ironclad strategy of la fayette's.
Thanks Chofritz!
Old n Slow
Emperor
And we're back.
1720 -- 14 cities, 7K gold, 47 techs; the ai has four wonders (LH, GW, GL & Or) the rest are either mine (6Ren, 4 Ind) or still available STWA, SoL).
1730 -- Elec discovered.
1740 -- 8M pop. Still Supreme, still Spotless, still quietly minding my own business; all 6 ais still around, ranging from 1 to 7 cities, 21 to 35 techs.
1750 -- Refridge discovered
1752 -- Tactics
1758 -- Amph W
1762 -- Steam (approx 1900 beakers for discoveries) also starting to stretch our wings.
1764 bought thebes
1766 -- RR; 12M pop.
1772 -- AT
1784 -- Ind. discovered. 56 techs 20 cities.
1798 -- back to democracy -- had an oops. bought an American explorer, but didnt remove him when asked -- so half a world away my government collapses.
1802 -- Comm
1806 -- ESP (a good name for spies, I agree)
1812 -- 32 cities, 60 tech. Sent some food (2 per turn) to Cardiff -- now at size 38 (cant seem to click over the two elvi -- I guess Ill cut off their extra food).
1820 -- Min; some of the demanded caravans are arriving at my customer & paying off $990g. The undemanded ones are paying off at $330g.
1822 -- Refining
1824 -- Combustion. I held back a few camels; wasnt sure if one can get multiple advances with trade per turn, or only one through trade & the multiples through grunt science power.
1828 -- Automobile. 40 cities, 66 tech. pop. = 33M. Supreme/Questionable (guess Ill build the Eiffel Tower for 25 points at end of game) four ais left, ranging from one city to 7, 32 to 39 techs. Takes about 2720 beakers per advance.
(left my log at the wrong location; also switched to fundy after another oops (thebes was in unrest for two turns during the dismantling process (one space away form four specials -- the whales were unobtainable from any other location)).
It is now 1850 & only one Sioux city (size 12) remains. The unrest has subsided from the switchover & now maybe well grow just a little & see what happens next. I have about three boats of trucks waiting to visit -- and two thirds of the world still need routes.
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1720 -- 14 cities, 7K gold, 47 techs; the ai has four wonders (LH, GW, GL & Or) the rest are either mine (6Ren, 4 Ind) or still available STWA, SoL).
1730 -- Elec discovered.
1740 -- 8M pop. Still Supreme, still Spotless, still quietly minding my own business; all 6 ais still around, ranging from 1 to 7 cities, 21 to 35 techs.
1750 -- Refridge discovered
1752 -- Tactics
1758 -- Amph W
1762 -- Steam (approx 1900 beakers for discoveries) also starting to stretch our wings.
1764 bought thebes
1766 -- RR; 12M pop.
1772 -- AT
1784 -- Ind. discovered. 56 techs 20 cities.
1798 -- back to democracy -- had an oops. bought an American explorer, but didnt remove him when asked -- so half a world away my government collapses.
1802 -- Comm
1806 -- ESP (a good name for spies, I agree)
1812 -- 32 cities, 60 tech. Sent some food (2 per turn) to Cardiff -- now at size 38 (cant seem to click over the two elvi -- I guess Ill cut off their extra food).
1820 -- Min; some of the demanded caravans are arriving at my customer & paying off $990g. The undemanded ones are paying off at $330g.
1822 -- Refining
1824 -- Combustion. I held back a few camels; wasnt sure if one can get multiple advances with trade per turn, or only one through trade & the multiples through grunt science power.
1828 -- Automobile. 40 cities, 66 tech. pop. = 33M. Supreme/Questionable (guess Ill build the Eiffel Tower for 25 points at end of game) four ais left, ranging from one city to 7, 32 to 39 techs. Takes about 2720 beakers per advance.
(left my log at the wrong location; also switched to fundy after another oops (thebes was in unrest for two turns during the dismantling process (one space away form four specials -- the whales were unobtainable from any other location)).
It is now 1850 & only one Sioux city (size 12) remains. The unrest has subsided from the switchover & now maybe well grow just a little & see what happens next. I have about three boats of trucks waiting to visit -- and two thirds of the world still need routes.
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[dance]starlifter
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BTW, that's because only the 1st 16 Tax/Sci/Elvii can be used. For a full terrain use city (20 workers on terrain), that means size 36 is the largest which you can use all citizens. #37 and beyond cannot be clicked, changed, and do not even provide luxuries.
They do caount a one point to final score, though. 
Good move, because you cannot have an advance on a turn with deliveries. The extra science is not used. Example: Suppose it const 1,800 beakers for an advance. You have 1,700 accumulated. You deliver a 900 caravan, bringing the beakers to 2,600. No advance will ovvur, until the next turn... and the extra 800 will be lost forever.
Old n Slow
Emperor
I rehomed all of the food caravans from one city (-1F, + a bunch of faces). I wonder (a to do list item for next game) if I go ahead & do that for more than three, maybe just maybe, we'll have a new definition of food basket.
Old n Slow
Emperor
Follow on thought along same lines -- after the food express, use the "extra" growth for more engineers -- take a break after a few turns, build some more food, rehome to save arrows, & repeat. Maybe we can try this a little sooner than next month (each turn is now taking me approx. 1/2 hour -- I figure I have about a dozen turns available before I leave town (back in early July).
starlifter
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What you have discovered is actually called the FCT (Food Caravan Trick).
The FCT is using lots of food caravans from one city to make another city grow, particularly to unnatural (e.g., sizes that the city's food supply could not have supported on it's own) sizes. Food caravans are OK, and using them to help cities that need food are OK, and using them to help cities grow is OK... but since Civ does not properly penalize the home city when lots of food caravans are delivered from the same source city (including re-homed), this has a special name, the FCT.
Most people, including myself, don't use the FCT to make cities grow in GOTMs, particularly to large sizes (personally I don't use the FCT at all). In the Civ 2 HOF games that score above approx. 16,000 to 18,000 do use the FCT to get those large populations, and that is about the only place you see people use the FCT. The only to achieve mega HOF scores is the FCT, so it's accepted in that instance (see Shadowdale's 26,000 game). Here is the Civ 2 HOF. In general, if you see cities much above 42, the FCT is being used. Any city above 46 is impossible without the FCT; sizes 44-46 are, for all practical purposes, impossible without it.
Old n Slow
Emperor
I can see where there are some gains to be made -- but I also see the cost. for some of those high scoring games, we must be talking about hours (strong plural) per turn.
Just a reminder.....
Please send all GOTM to Duke@Civfanatics.net
Matrix has already forwarded a couple games to me that were sent to him in error.
Please send all GOTM to Duke@Civfanatics.net
Matrix has already forwarded a couple games to me that were sent to him in error.
LordValuna
High Lord
Am i imagining things or am I using the fish square in both Cardiff and Cork 
Ive loaded a zip file with the two cities resource map and a map which shows just the two cities on the home island.
Cork is a mine city (mine in progress) .
I'm doing way worse than last game but have Lighthouse, COL, GW, Shak and COP wonders in KELL, so there is some hope.
P.S. i like to call mined cities PJC (Prince John's Crusade) if used offensively
Ive loaded a zip file with the two cities resource map and a map which shows just the two cities on the home island.
Cork is a mine city (mine in progress) .
I'm doing way worse than last game but have Lighthouse, COL, GW, Shak and COP wonders in KELL, so there is some hope.
P.S. i like to call mined cities PJC (Prince John's Crusade) if used offensively
GaryNemo
Settler from None
Lord Valuna,
I have seen this behavior in other games, where along some line both cities can use the same irrigated square, mines, etc, and I always look for it. In my Cardiff area, I do not have that magical line -- haven't looked at your zip. Good luck for you, though!
Log fragments:
1768 AD, Americans land, demand Wheel, gave it to them, they declare war on us, then our Dip foils a American espionage attempt! Very good, our first boat load of troops departs this turn. Sioux obtain CF from our idiotic Senate. Leonardo very busy with all of the antique captured units. Economics, choose Railroad over Magnetism, Gravity, Conscription. In a hurry to celebrate new Aquaducts, 40,40,20% Kill American Diplomat. Americans activate their alliance with the French, French declare war on us! Bribe American Caravel for $134.
23120,000 pop in 52 c, $556 -105 =451, Sci 328/6, Mfg=378 FS=3.2
6 Sewer+1 13 Aq+5, 1 Bank+4 18 Markt+9 29 Templ+5 5 Lib 11 Harb+6 building.
1770 AD, built Bank of Cardiff SSC. Founded Asyut. Landed in France, Dragoons killed Elephant & Horseman, 50,40,10% 23900,000
1772 AD, Americans dev Economics. Built Adam Smith. Coal Athens to Carmarthen PAID $229 +6, Spice IMerthyr to Carmarthen PAID $237. Founded Avaris3. Buying Aquaducts, Markets, Sewer.
24450,000 pop in 54 c, $800 -50 =750, Sci 205/9, Mfg=363 FS=3.3
1774 AD, quiet. Gold Alexandria to Sparta PAID $174+2. Founded Fat Pheasant, Marathon. Chartres surrounded, Ironclad kills Archer. 60,40,00% 25170,000 pop.
1776 AD, French Catapult didn't fire at our Musketeer. Sioux threaten us with their mighty armies! RR ends HG. Sad.
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1784 AD, French demand we withdraw, No, they broke CF, Elephant got lucky and killed a Musketeer. Sioux also demanded, attacked, but not so lucky. American Chariot buzzing the border. Killed French Dip. Cannons blasting Phx in Little Bighorn. Fdd RhBlue. Subvert Rheims for $1089, got $54+60+40, 5 structures, 5 units. French then demand Railroad, No, Senate signs CF. 30,30,40%, only 13 AI cities remain.
29250,000 pop in 61, $580 -87 =493, Sci 720/3, Mfg=471 FS=3.3
1786 AD, Barb Crusaders die, Leader available. REFRIGERATION, choose Conscription over Gravity, Industrialization. Destroyer zapped Barb Leader $100, Cannons reduced Little Bighorn, captured for $428 and KRC, Oracle and 3 buildings, 29730,000 pop.
1788 AD, Americans dev Gunpowder, threaten us, catapult backs away.
Senate CF, subvert Cedar Creek 2x $408, get $154+40 Market Phx, only Bear Paw remains. Spice Elephantine to Athens PAID $252+4, expelled American Dip, 30,40,30% to begin final WLTK.
29750,000 pop in 62, $599-100 =499, Sci 566/4, Mfg=471 FS=3.4
1790 AD, 8 new WLTK -Rheims trouble. 30260,000 pop
1792 AD, French threaten us. Americans broke CF, lost their catapult. Also Sioux threaten us! Conscription, choose Tactics over Gravity, Fundamentalism, Industrialization. Founded Buto. Destroyer pounds Philadelphia, Dragoons capture it, $118 w Col & Harb. Wine Boston to Kells PAID $128+3. 30,50,20%
31520,000 pop in 64, $671-116 =555, Sci 415/5, Mfg=489 FS=3.5
1794 AD, perfect, French broke CF, killed our one Rheims Rifleman bait. Americans demand Railroad, Senate CF of course. 13 new WLTK. One shot at Paris, another a Lyons, wished a Dip were ready. Buying Colosseums madly to build Banks and Sewers, also building them since I don't have Cure for Cancer. Founded RhPaw. Silver Kells to Heliopolis PAID $222+4. 32260,000 pop
1796 AD, Barbs in Our Sea! 6 new WLTK. 34350,000 pop
Going to Philadelphia World Chess Open 7/02, I fear I may not finish....
I have seen this behavior in other games, where along some line both cities can use the same irrigated square, mines, etc, and I always look for it. In my Cardiff area, I do not have that magical line -- haven't looked at your zip. Good luck for you, though!
Log fragments:
1768 AD, Americans land, demand Wheel, gave it to them, they declare war on us, then our Dip foils a American espionage attempt! Very good, our first boat load of troops departs this turn. Sioux obtain CF from our idiotic Senate. Leonardo very busy with all of the antique captured units. Economics, choose Railroad over Magnetism, Gravity, Conscription. In a hurry to celebrate new Aquaducts, 40,40,20% Kill American Diplomat. Americans activate their alliance with the French, French declare war on us! Bribe American Caravel for $134.
23120,000 pop in 52 c, $556 -105 =451, Sci 328/6, Mfg=378 FS=3.2
6 Sewer+1 13 Aq+5, 1 Bank+4 18 Markt+9 29 Templ+5 5 Lib 11 Harb+6 building.
1770 AD, built Bank of Cardiff SSC. Founded Asyut. Landed in France, Dragoons killed Elephant & Horseman, 50,40,10% 23900,000
1772 AD, Americans dev Economics. Built Adam Smith. Coal Athens to Carmarthen PAID $229 +6, Spice IMerthyr to Carmarthen PAID $237. Founded Avaris3. Buying Aquaducts, Markets, Sewer.
24450,000 pop in 54 c, $800 -50 =750, Sci 205/9, Mfg=363 FS=3.3
1774 AD, quiet. Gold Alexandria to Sparta PAID $174+2. Founded Fat Pheasant, Marathon. Chartres surrounded, Ironclad kills Archer. 60,40,00% 25170,000 pop.
1776 AD, French Catapult didn't fire at our Musketeer. Sioux threaten us with their mighty armies! RR ends HG. Sad.
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1784 AD, French demand we withdraw, No, they broke CF, Elephant got lucky and killed a Musketeer. Sioux also demanded, attacked, but not so lucky. American Chariot buzzing the border. Killed French Dip. Cannons blasting Phx in Little Bighorn. Fdd RhBlue. Subvert Rheims for $1089, got $54+60+40, 5 structures, 5 units. French then demand Railroad, No, Senate signs CF. 30,30,40%, only 13 AI cities remain.
29250,000 pop in 61, $580 -87 =493, Sci 720/3, Mfg=471 FS=3.3
1786 AD, Barb Crusaders die, Leader available. REFRIGERATION, choose Conscription over Gravity, Industrialization. Destroyer zapped Barb Leader $100, Cannons reduced Little Bighorn, captured for $428 and KRC, Oracle and 3 buildings, 29730,000 pop.
1788 AD, Americans dev Gunpowder, threaten us, catapult backs away.
Senate CF, subvert Cedar Creek 2x $408, get $154+40 Market Phx, only Bear Paw remains. Spice Elephantine to Athens PAID $252+4, expelled American Dip, 30,40,30% to begin final WLTK.
29750,000 pop in 62, $599-100 =499, Sci 566/4, Mfg=471 FS=3.4
1790 AD, 8 new WLTK -Rheims trouble. 30260,000 pop
1792 AD, French threaten us. Americans broke CF, lost their catapult. Also Sioux threaten us! Conscription, choose Tactics over Gravity, Fundamentalism, Industrialization. Founded Buto. Destroyer pounds Philadelphia, Dragoons capture it, $118 w Col & Harb. Wine Boston to Kells PAID $128+3. 30,50,20%
31520,000 pop in 64, $671-116 =555, Sci 415/5, Mfg=489 FS=3.5
1794 AD, perfect, French broke CF, killed our one Rheims Rifleman bait. Americans demand Railroad, Senate CF of course. 13 new WLTK. One shot at Paris, another a Lyons, wished a Dip were ready. Buying Colosseums madly to build Banks and Sewers, also building them since I don't have Cure for Cancer. Founded RhPaw. Silver Kells to Heliopolis PAID $222+4. 32260,000 pop
1796 AD, Barbs in Our Sea! 6 new WLTK. 34350,000 pop
Going to Philadelphia World Chess Open 7/02, I fear I may not finish....
LordValuna
High Lord
Hmm, that could be better than the airbase trick (which has been dissallowed) In mycase its sharing a fish a knight's move away from the capital and a hill city within mining in progress.
If anyone can figure out when this happens.
I Have the .sav files leading upto so i can look at it latter, if I can get gotm17 done in time. (near 1500A)
ps. good luck to Gary in your chess tournament!
The double resourse use is becasue of the vertical 0 line (or Meridian). The game treats any city on one side of the line as being able to use the resourses and also allows a city on the other side of the line to use the same resourses (even ones across the line). It doesn't use its overlap rule when city radi go over that line.
smartin737
Chieftain
This was my first GOTM. Having never given a rat's a** about score when I play, what are some of the common things guys like me do that make for an efficient win while accidently killing the game score??
I've seen reference to pollution being a "no-no." To what degree? Does the same go for the side-results of using Fundamentalism? If so, I know my score will bite. I won comfortably (for me) by conquest in 1921. I used Fundamentalism (via Statue of Liberty) to get the upper-hand and fill the coffers (which I over-did). I also pushed production and let the pollution pop up (with enough engineers to clean promptly).
The strats I usually use:
Keep a starting NONE settler.
Churn out cities early with rather thin defense (could have been thinner in this GOTM).
Focus initial research on Monarchy. Then Philosophy =>Literacy.
Wonder Focus:
If at all possible: Great Library, Richard's Crusade, Mich's Chapel, Statue of Liberty, Bach's Cathed.
If able: Get Pyramid (rarely do), Leonardo's.
I almost never go for Hanging Garden, Colossus, Lighthouse, Grt Wall, Sun Tzu,Marco Polo.
Go Republic when most cities have Market.
Sacrifice Tax & Science for Luxuries for a few turns to grow cities with "We love king"
If I get Statue of Liberty, I generally go Fundamentalism and attack with heavy emphasis on diplomats. (in this GOTM, I stagnated in this phase for too long).
I try to get Industrialization and immediately build Factories in all cities I can stand to (usually all producing >7 shields).
MUST HAVE HOOVER DAM.
I build virtually no city walls.
If I get the Grt Library, I slack of on the science bldgs until I smell "electricity."
I love CivII because there are so many variables. More details that I care to go into here. Been playing for years (since release), and still learning!! I've just decided to try out GOTM to learn about the scoring aspect of the game a little.
Any posts, hints, links, or directions appreciated!
I've seen reference to pollution being a "no-no." To what degree? Does the same go for the side-results of using Fundamentalism? If so, I know my score will bite. I won comfortably (for me) by conquest in 1921. I used Fundamentalism (via Statue of Liberty) to get the upper-hand and fill the coffers (which I over-did). I also pushed production and let the pollution pop up (with enough engineers to clean promptly).
The strats I usually use:
Keep a starting NONE settler.
Churn out cities early with rather thin defense (could have been thinner in this GOTM).
Focus initial research on Monarchy. Then Philosophy =>Literacy.
Wonder Focus:
If at all possible: Great Library, Richard's Crusade, Mich's Chapel, Statue of Liberty, Bach's Cathed.
If able: Get Pyramid (rarely do), Leonardo's.
I almost never go for Hanging Garden, Colossus, Lighthouse, Grt Wall, Sun Tzu,Marco Polo.
Go Republic when most cities have Market.
Sacrifice Tax & Science for Luxuries for a few turns to grow cities with "We love king"
If I get Statue of Liberty, I generally go Fundamentalism and attack with heavy emphasis on diplomats. (in this GOTM, I stagnated in this phase for too long).
I try to get Industrialization and immediately build Factories in all cities I can stand to (usually all producing >7 shields).
MUST HAVE HOOVER DAM.
I build virtually no city walls.
If I get the Grt Library, I slack of on the science bldgs until I smell "electricity."
I love CivII because there are so many variables. More details that I care to go into here. Been playing for years (since release), and still learning!! I've just decided to try out GOTM to learn about the scoring aspect of the game a little.
Any posts, hints, links, or directions appreciated!
KingWilly
Melbournite
Oops. I think I sent my GOTM to Matrix, through the GOTM site. Has this been updated to automatically send to Duke?
Would I need to re-send to Duke, if I accidently sent to Matrix this month?
Just to be safe, please send them to me also. Matrix has forwarded me some entires he has received.
And, no, the site has not been updated to send the saves to me.
GaryNemo
Settler from None
Smartin737
I also play your strategy -- I like planning for my Settler from None. However, this is not the way the top players do it. I am trying to conquer gotm17 with Dips and Caravans.
I never bother with Great Library, go right for Monarchy, Trade, and Hanging Gardens. If possible, the Pyramids. Colossus is best, but I had been in the habit of spotting it to the AI.
Welcome to the game!
I also play your strategy -- I like planning for my Settler from None. However, this is not the way the top players do it. I am trying to conquer gotm17 with Dips and Caravans.
I never bother with Great Library, go right for Monarchy, Trade, and Hanging Gardens. If possible, the Pyramids. Colossus is best, but I had been in the habit of spotting it to the AI.
Welcome to the game!
starlifter
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Well, I'm thru AD 1000 now, actually a little past AD 1100... this month will be a conquest too, as some things have come up for this week.
This game is pretty much a low scoring one, with a medium about of perfecting cities. Just not enough time (in real life) to spead aut and settle everything. The conquering is going fine, and everyone are science midgets. The Sioux get all my tech except for Fundamentalism. The most time consuming things are trade and squeezing all the shields I can out of IPRBs. I found out that the Zulu city was so profitable in trade that I could not affort to kill it off for a very long time... and then the trade routes shifted to the Sioux, and then the Egyptians.
Money is not a problem, but since almost everything is going into imporvements and caravans, expansion and settler production is pretty low. I wound up gifting the Americans a lot, in anticipation of rapid science, but got backed up due to lack of gold. In a risky move, I gifted the American my good tech, including unbuilt wonders like JSBach. I had to do this because they had the Great Library, and gifting the Sioux would just give tham the tech for free. So I at least swapped maps with them, and had a bead on where my Ironclads would be sent.
Here are my travails of 1,000 years:
----------------------- AD 0001 ---------------------------
Pop: 0.930M (Republic)
Tax: 20% (30g, cost=10g)
Sci: 50% (67b, 9T) (20 Total Adv) (Advs cost about 546b)
Lux: 30%
Prod: 060MT (0T poll, 0 polluted tiles)
Cities: 11
Wonders: 3 (Ancient: Col; HG; Ren: MPE)
ENEMY:
Zulu: 2
French: 5
Egypt: 7
American: 5
Greek: 3
Sioux: 4
FORCES (3 are NONEs):
05 Settlers (1 in prod)
06 Warriors
07 Phalanx
01 Legion (1 In Prod)
01 Chariot
01 Horse
02 Trireme
02 Dips
03 Caravans (1 in prod)
AD 0001 Day00 0122 000.93/0030g/0064b/0060MT (20T/50S/30L)
AD 0020 Day01 0128 001.26/0031g/0067b/0063MT
AD 0040 Day02 0 001.56 (40=64g/20=17T/40) Threat to drive me out of Zulu
AD 0060*Day03 0140 002.00 (40=47g/20=18T/40) Engineering; S-Astronomy; Start KRC; legions moving in; Freight
AD 0080 Day04 0124 002.15 (0/80/20) A01-Zimbabwe-381g(Cu) IPRB FrtX2 to 40; End WLT_ Days; Gift Sioux-Medicine; A01-Zimbabwe-381g(Cu)
AD 0100 Day05 0124 002.15 (0/80-4T/20) Astronomy; S-University; Greek horse killed Zulu Chariot! A01-Zimbabwe-304g(Cu)(1/2 advance); 2 Freight; 1 Phalanx
AD 0120 Day06 0124 002.15 (Gift-Sioux-Astronomy
AD 0140*Day07 0124 002.15 Use Gold to IPRB to 40s or 30s every time (food now)
AD 0160 Day08 0124 002.15 (40/40/20) University; A01-Zimb-Hides-304g; Gift-Sioux-Univ(Enthusiatic-"NoNeedForYourUselessMaps")
AD 0180 Day09 0125 002.18 Bribe Warrior Greek 48g(Sett would be-400); BuyBank222; Low on Gold
AD 0200 Day10 0125 002.24 BridgeBld; S-Sanitation; Zulu Threats; Bribed Greek Horseman-61g(NONE); (80-203g/0/20)
AD 0220*Day11 0131 002.35 Size11
AD 0240 Day12 0131 002.27 KING-RICHARD-CRUSADE; Egypt-GW; 2-Beads-324g (40/40/20)
AD 0260 DAY13 0131 002.27 NYC-GREAT-LIBRARY; Everyone Abandons Except French (Lighthouse)
AD 0280 Day14 0131 002.27 Sloooowwwwww.........
AD 0300*Day15 0131 002.27 Sioux start Copernicus
AD 0320 Day16 0131 002.27
AD 0340 Day17 0131 002.27 Americans land A09 Diplomat-WAR-Killed their dip & bribed their ship (110g)
AD 0360 Day18 0131 002.34; SHAKESPEARE; Sell Temple; WLTC Day; Zulu Threats yet agian
AD 0380*Day19 0180 002.51; Americans-Peace; Swap- University for Poly; Astronomy for Seafaring; Gift-Sioux-3 Techs (No Ally!); PRB Sewer to 100 (20 Net Production);
AD 0400 Day20 0185 002.69; Chemisty; S-Monothiesm; Gems-387g(NoDemand); Bribe 2 greek horsemen-110g,125g
AD 0420 Day21 0187 002.95; Size 14-Full; PRB 40s; Full Speed Ahead! - Paris-LIGHTHOUSE; Hides-376g(NoD)
AD 0440 Day22 0190 003.10; Monothiesm; S-ToG; Silk-408g; A05-A01(Silk,DmD,170g); A09-A01(Silk,NoD,70g)
AD 0460*Day23 0192 003.22; A08 Spice (64g,NoD)
AD 0480 Day24 0230 003.48; MICHELANGELOS CHAPEL; Silk-444g; Bribe-Barb-Horse-41g(NONE); Kill Ldr at Ulundi; A03 Salt(52g); A02 Salt(50g); A09(74g)
----------------------- AD 500 ---------------------------
Pop: 3.79M (Republic)
Tax: 30% (129g, cost=045g)
Sci: 40% (146b, 6T) (30 Total Adv) (Advs cost about 810b)
Lux: 30% (most cities in WLTC)
Prod: 091MT (70T poll, 0 polluted tiles)
Cities: 13
Wonders: 6 (Ancient: HG, Col; Ren: KRC, MP, MC, ST)
ENEMY:
FORCES (Some are NONEs):
06 Settlers (0 in prod)
06 Warriors
09 Phalanx
2 Legion
5 Horse
1 Chariot
3 Trireme
4 Dips
4 Caravans (3 in prod)
AD 0500 Day25 0244 003.80; ToG; S-Feudalism; Bribe Greek Warrior-49g; Phalanx-110g; C02
AD 0520 Day26 0254 004.46; French-Egypt-SwapTech-Peace; Bribe Greek Warrior(49g); Silk-472g; Making 9 Freight while they are cheap (before GP in a few turns);Gift Sioux All but Engineering(to stall Gunpowder for my future Ironclads)
AD 0540*Day27 0272 005.29; Greek Sneak Attack-Phalanx Holds; Feudalism; S-Physics; Silk-496g;revolt Sparta(Sz3;514g-73g;MM;3units;Anarchy); Senate Forces CF&Peace; ; Swap Maps
AD 0560 Day28 0299 005.97; COPERNICUS; (Am-Abandon, Sioux Switch to Oracle); Wars End: Greek-Am; Greek-Zulu; Theology; S-Economics (70/0/30 for Gold)
AD 0580 Day29 0306 006.57; Sioux-ORACLE; Zulu Contact-Peace?(NO)Senate-confirm,Offer 350g?(YES),Pulling Back; Beads-496g;
AD 0600 Day30 0316 007.04; Buy Lots Aquaducts
AD 0620*Day31 0324 007.58; Low Money; Too many caravans enroute & not delivered yet
AD 0640 Day32 0334 008.08; Still (70/0/30)
AD 0660 Day33 0341 008.37; Sneak Attack by Zulus (Elephant killed my NONE Warrior); Killed every Zulu I could find; Bribed Ulundi (456g-46g,HBR,Anarchy); Sold a Barrack to bribe Zulu Warrior(136g,NONE); CF?(NO),Senate Confirmed,50g?(NO;WAR).
AD 0680 Day34 0348 008.61; G03-A01(224g,NoD); Sell Barracks (70/0/30-527g)
AD 0700*Day35 0350 008.88; More ships; Starting almost complete chain
AD 0720 Day36 0358 009.30; G12 Hides(276g);B04(242g); Sioux only want Fuedalism or Eng-Nope, since Americans don't have it; Contact french-Gift Trade, Swap Maps
AD 0740 Day37 0368 009.71; Coal(NoD,492g); Bribe Greek Archer(136g,DefendG04!); Americans Gift: Economics,Wheel,IronWork,ToG,Theology(Worship);SwapMaps ;Gift-French-Monarchy,Univ,Bank,Astro(Worship)-SwapMaps
AD 0760 Day38 0382 010.20; Chivalry;S-Invention; Americans start JSBach; A01-A07(Beads,NoD,102g);A01(Wine,Dmd,648g,Rec);Bribe-Greek Warrior(102g,NONE); B02Gems(NoD,184);A05(Wool,86g); Extra Caravans now in Place
AD 0780*Day39 0409 010.45; Invention;S-Navigation; A01(wine,615g);B04-A01(Spice,372,Dmd)
AD 0800 Day40 0409 010.68; Navigation; S-Physics; A01 Beads(246g); A01 Cu(492g);Switch to Magellans to help Trade; (50/20/30 to get Adv next turn)
AD 0820 Day41 0409 010.97; MAGELLANS; Physics;S-Magnetism (Need Galleons!,Then Ironclads); Found B03; A01(Dye,492g,Dmd);A01(Wind,615g,Dmd); Set (70/0/30); Spend 688 to IPRB w/SunTzu for Leos(2T from now)
AD 0840 Day42 0442 011.44; Magnetism;S-Steam Engine; Sneak Attack-Greek Horse(died against Fortress Phalanx on Hill);A01-G03(Gold,369g,Dmd);A01-Zim(Dye,492,Dmd);A01-Zim(Bds,246,NoD); More gold than can be spent right now.
AD 0860*Day43 0469 011.61;Steam Engine; S-Atomic Theory(No GP!!);LEONARDOS-WORKSHOP;Barb Legion Lands (no Ldr) from Frigate; A01-A02(Gold;102g;Dmd); A01-Zim(246g,NoD);Zim(Wine,615,Dmd); Americans-2 Cities building JSBach now(Researching Nav.); 4 Ironclads next turn; (40/30/30 to finish Sci)
AD 0880 Day44 0475 011.80; Atomic Theory;S-Gunpowder; Closing in on Greeks and Americans (2 Galleons Full);A01-Zim(Hides,492,Dmd)
AD 0900 Day45 0498 012.01; SUN TZU; Zulu Elephant attacked my Knight (Fort/Riv/Forest-Knight 50%);Zim(Hides,492,Dmd);Last Caravan Delivered - Time to kill Zulus; KILLED ZULUS(207g);KILLED GREEKS (147g)
AD 0920 Day46 0514 013.31; Gunpowder; S-Leadership(No Expl!!);B01-A01(Spice,255g,Dmd);G05-A01(Spice,511g,Dmd);G03-A01(Silver,311g,Dmd); Tons o Gold...Starting Sewers(40/30/30)
AD 0940*Day47 0566 012.56; Democracy; S-Explosives; DEMOCRACY; JS BACH;Ai1-A01(Cu,178g,Dmd)
AD 0960 Day48 0578 013.83; A01-Boston(Silk,909g,Dmd,Rec); Moved Caravan to NYC-Am Demand Advance(No!)-WAR; Attacked with 2 Ironclads, 1 more coming; Setting up to wipe out without face to face contact in 2 days.
AD 0980 Day49 0000 000.00; Explosives; S-Leadership; Sioux-Sneak Attack(Catapult Killed Settler); Wm Abandoned INC; A01-NYC (Silk,978g,Dmd); Capture-Washington (Aq,Mkt,60g,PYRAMIDS), IRB Harbor: Change to Diplomat; Revolt-Atlants (186g-60,Mkt,Set); Revolt-NYC (427g-27,Mkt,Aq,Bnk,GREAT LIBRARY); Revolt-Phl (226g-26); Sunk Sioux Trireme
----------------------- AD 1000 ---------------------------
Pop: 18.40M (Republic)
Tax: 40% (760g, cost=117g))
Sci: 30% (397b, 0T) (47 Total Adv) (Advs cost about 1500b)
Lux: 30% (most cities in WLTC)
Prod: 200MT (0T poll, 110 polluted tiles, No Skulls Yet)
Cities: 25
Wonders: 14 (Ancient: Pyr,HG,Col,GL Ren: All Ind: LW,JSB,ASTC)
ENEMY:
French: Republic, 7 Cities, Peace
Egypt: Republic, 21 Techs, 9 Cities, No Contact with Me Yet
Americans: Republic, 34 Techs, 2 Cities, War
Sioux: Monarchy, 32 Techs, 5 Cities, War
FORCES (Many are NONEs):
18 Settlers (4 in prod)
26 Musketeers
07 Dragons
09 Galleons (1 in prod)
06 Ironclads
05 Dips (2 in prod)
30 Caravans (4 in prod)
AD 1000 Day50 018.4; Leadership; S-Metallurgy; 290g-85, A01-LitBighorn (Silk,876,Dmd); A01-LBH (Gold,292,NoD); Killed Sioux Trireme(+1)
And here's the progress of my capital:
This game is pretty much a low scoring one, with a medium about of perfecting cities. Just not enough time (in real life) to spead aut and settle everything
. The conquering is going fine, and everyone are science midgets. The Sioux get all my tech except for Fundamentalism. The most time consuming things are trade and squeezing all the shields I can out of IPRBs. I found out that the Zulu city was so profitable in trade that I could not affort to kill it off for a very long time... and then the trade routes shifted to the Sioux, and then the Egyptians.Money is not a problem, but since almost everything is going into imporvements and caravans, expansion and settler production is pretty low. I wound up gifting the Americans a lot, in anticipation of rapid science, but got backed up due to lack of gold. In a risky move, I gifted the American my good tech, including unbuilt wonders like JSBach. I had to do this because they had the Great Library, and gifting the Sioux would just give tham the tech for free. So I at least swapped maps with them, and had a bead on where my Ironclads would be sent.
Here are my travails of 1,000 years:
----------------------- AD 0001 ---------------------------
Pop: 0.930M (Republic)
Tax: 20% (30g, cost=10g)
Sci: 50% (67b, 9T) (20 Total Adv) (Advs cost about 546b)
Lux: 30%
Prod: 060MT (0T poll, 0 polluted tiles)
Cities: 11
Wonders: 3 (Ancient: Col; HG; Ren: MPE)
ENEMY:
Zulu: 2
French: 5
Egypt: 7
American: 5
Greek: 3
Sioux: 4
FORCES (3 are NONEs):
05 Settlers (1 in prod)
06 Warriors
07 Phalanx
01 Legion (1 In Prod)
01 Chariot
01 Horse
02 Trireme
02 Dips
03 Caravans (1 in prod)
AD 0001 Day00 0122 000.93/0030g/0064b/0060MT (20T/50S/30L)
AD 0020 Day01 0128 001.26/0031g/0067b/0063MT
AD 0040 Day02 0 001.56 (40=64g/20=17T/40) Threat to drive me out of Zulu
AD 0060*Day03 0140 002.00 (40=47g/20=18T/40) Engineering; S-Astronomy; Start KRC; legions moving in; Freight
AD 0080 Day04 0124 002.15 (0/80/20) A01-Zimbabwe-381g(Cu) IPRB FrtX2 to 40; End WLT_ Days; Gift Sioux-Medicine; A01-Zimbabwe-381g(Cu)
AD 0100 Day05 0124 002.15 (0/80-4T/20) Astronomy; S-University; Greek horse killed Zulu Chariot! A01-Zimbabwe-304g(Cu)(1/2 advance); 2 Freight; 1 Phalanx
AD 0120 Day06 0124 002.15 (Gift-Sioux-Astronomy
AD 0140*Day07 0124 002.15 Use Gold to IPRB to 40s or 30s every time (food now)
AD 0160 Day08 0124 002.15 (40/40/20) University; A01-Zimb-Hides-304g; Gift-Sioux-Univ(Enthusiatic-"NoNeedForYourUselessMaps")
AD 0180 Day09 0125 002.18 Bribe Warrior Greek 48g(Sett would be-400); BuyBank222; Low on Gold
AD 0200 Day10 0125 002.24 BridgeBld; S-Sanitation; Zulu Threats; Bribed Greek Horseman-61g(NONE); (80-203g/0/20)
AD 0220*Day11 0131 002.35 Size11
AD 0240 Day12 0131 002.27 KING-RICHARD-CRUSADE; Egypt-GW; 2-Beads-324g (40/40/20)
AD 0260 DAY13 0131 002.27 NYC-GREAT-LIBRARY; Everyone Abandons Except French (Lighthouse)
AD 0280 Day14 0131 002.27 Sloooowwwwww.........
AD 0300*Day15 0131 002.27 Sioux start Copernicus
AD 0320 Day16 0131 002.27
AD 0340 Day17 0131 002.27 Americans land A09 Diplomat-WAR-Killed their dip & bribed their ship (110g)
AD 0360 Day18 0131 002.34; SHAKESPEARE; Sell Temple; WLTC Day; Zulu Threats yet agian
AD 0380*Day19 0180 002.51; Americans-Peace; Swap- University for Poly; Astronomy for Seafaring; Gift-Sioux-3 Techs (No Ally!); PRB Sewer to 100 (20 Net Production);
AD 0400 Day20 0185 002.69; Chemisty; S-Monothiesm; Gems-387g(NoDemand); Bribe 2 greek horsemen-110g,125g
AD 0420 Day21 0187 002.95; Size 14-Full; PRB 40s; Full Speed Ahead! - Paris-LIGHTHOUSE; Hides-376g(NoD)
AD 0440 Day22 0190 003.10; Monothiesm; S-ToG; Silk-408g; A05-A01(Silk,DmD,170g); A09-A01(Silk,NoD,70g)
AD 0460*Day23 0192 003.22; A08 Spice (64g,NoD)
AD 0480 Day24 0230 003.48; MICHELANGELOS CHAPEL; Silk-444g; Bribe-Barb-Horse-41g(NONE); Kill Ldr at Ulundi; A03 Salt(52g); A02 Salt(50g); A09(74g)
----------------------- AD 500 ---------------------------
Pop: 3.79M (Republic)
Tax: 30% (129g, cost=045g)
Sci: 40% (146b, 6T) (30 Total Adv) (Advs cost about 810b)
Lux: 30% (most cities in WLTC)
Prod: 091MT (70T poll, 0 polluted tiles)
Cities: 13
Wonders: 6 (Ancient: HG, Col; Ren: KRC, MP, MC, ST)
ENEMY:
FORCES (Some are NONEs):
06 Settlers (0 in prod)
06 Warriors
09 Phalanx
2 Legion
5 Horse
1 Chariot
3 Trireme
4 Dips
4 Caravans (3 in prod)
AD 0500 Day25 0244 003.80; ToG; S-Feudalism; Bribe Greek Warrior-49g; Phalanx-110g; C02
AD 0520 Day26 0254 004.46; French-Egypt-SwapTech-Peace; Bribe Greek Warrior(49g); Silk-472g; Making 9 Freight while they are cheap (before GP in a few turns);Gift Sioux All but Engineering(to stall Gunpowder for my future Ironclads)
AD 0540*Day27 0272 005.29; Greek Sneak Attack-Phalanx Holds; Feudalism; S-Physics; Silk-496g;revolt Sparta(Sz3;514g-73g;MM;3units;Anarchy); Senate Forces CF&Peace; ; Swap Maps
AD 0560 Day28 0299 005.97; COPERNICUS; (Am-Abandon, Sioux Switch to Oracle); Wars End: Greek-Am; Greek-Zulu; Theology; S-Economics (70/0/30 for Gold)
AD 0580 Day29 0306 006.57; Sioux-ORACLE; Zulu Contact-Peace?(NO)Senate-confirm,Offer 350g?(YES),Pulling Back; Beads-496g;
AD 0600 Day30 0316 007.04; Buy Lots Aquaducts
AD 0620*Day31 0324 007.58; Low Money; Too many caravans enroute & not delivered yet
AD 0640 Day32 0334 008.08; Still (70/0/30)
AD 0660 Day33 0341 008.37; Sneak Attack by Zulus (Elephant killed my NONE Warrior); Killed every Zulu I could find; Bribed Ulundi (456g-46g,HBR,Anarchy); Sold a Barrack to bribe Zulu Warrior(136g,NONE); CF?(NO),Senate Confirmed,50g?(NO;WAR).
AD 0680 Day34 0348 008.61; G03-A01(224g,NoD); Sell Barracks (70/0/30-527g)
AD 0700*Day35 0350 008.88; More ships; Starting almost complete chain
AD 0720 Day36 0358 009.30; G12 Hides(276g);B04(242g); Sioux only want Fuedalism or Eng-Nope, since Americans don't have it; Contact french-Gift Trade, Swap Maps
AD 0740 Day37 0368 009.71; Coal(NoD,492g); Bribe Greek Archer(136g,DefendG04!); Americans Gift: Economics,Wheel,IronWork,ToG,Theology(Worship);SwapMaps ;Gift-French-Monarchy,Univ,Bank,Astro(Worship)-SwapMaps
AD 0760 Day38 0382 010.20; Chivalry;S-Invention; Americans start JSBach; A01-A07(Beads,NoD,102g);A01(Wine,Dmd,648g,Rec);Bribe-Greek Warrior(102g,NONE); B02Gems(NoD,184);A05(Wool,86g); Extra Caravans now in Place
AD 0780*Day39 0409 010.45; Invention;S-Navigation; A01(wine,615g);B04-A01(Spice,372,Dmd)
AD 0800 Day40 0409 010.68; Navigation; S-Physics; A01 Beads(246g); A01 Cu(492g);Switch to Magellans to help Trade; (50/20/30 to get Adv next turn)
AD 0820 Day41 0409 010.97; MAGELLANS; Physics;S-Magnetism (Need Galleons!,Then Ironclads); Found B03; A01(Dye,492g,Dmd);A01(Wind,615g,Dmd); Set (70/0/30); Spend 688 to IPRB w/SunTzu for Leos(2T from now)
AD 0840 Day42 0442 011.44; Magnetism;S-Steam Engine; Sneak Attack-Greek Horse(died against Fortress Phalanx on Hill);A01-G03(Gold,369g,Dmd);A01-Zim(Dye,492,Dmd);A01-Zim(Bds,246,NoD); More gold than can be spent right now.
AD 0860*Day43 0469 011.61;Steam Engine; S-Atomic Theory(No GP!!);LEONARDOS-WORKSHOP;Barb Legion Lands (no Ldr) from Frigate; A01-A02(Gold;102g;Dmd); A01-Zim(246g,NoD);Zim(Wine,615,Dmd); Americans-2 Cities building JSBach now(Researching Nav.); 4 Ironclads next turn; (40/30/30 to finish Sci)
AD 0880 Day44 0475 011.80; Atomic Theory;S-Gunpowder; Closing in on Greeks and Americans (2 Galleons Full);A01-Zim(Hides,492,Dmd)
AD 0900 Day45 0498 012.01; SUN TZU; Zulu Elephant attacked my Knight (Fort/Riv/Forest-Knight 50%);Zim(Hides,492,Dmd);Last Caravan Delivered - Time to kill Zulus; KILLED ZULUS(207g);KILLED GREEKS (147g)
AD 0920 Day46 0514 013.31; Gunpowder; S-Leadership(No Expl!!);B01-A01(Spice,255g,Dmd);G05-A01(Spice,511g,Dmd);G03-A01(Silver,311g,Dmd); Tons o Gold...Starting Sewers(40/30/30)
AD 0940*Day47 0566 012.56; Democracy; S-Explosives; DEMOCRACY; JS BACH;Ai1-A01(Cu,178g,Dmd)
AD 0960 Day48 0578 013.83; A01-Boston(Silk,909g,Dmd,Rec); Moved Caravan to NYC-Am Demand Advance(No!)-WAR; Attacked with 2 Ironclads, 1 more coming; Setting up to wipe out without face to face contact in 2 days.
AD 0980 Day49 0000 000.00; Explosives; S-Leadership; Sioux-Sneak Attack(Catapult Killed Settler); Wm Abandoned INC; A01-NYC (Silk,978g,Dmd); Capture-Washington (Aq,Mkt,60g,PYRAMIDS), IRB Harbor: Change to Diplomat; Revolt-Atlants (186g-60,Mkt,Set); Revolt-NYC (427g-27,Mkt,Aq,Bnk,GREAT LIBRARY); Revolt-Phl (226g-26); Sunk Sioux Trireme
----------------------- AD 1000 ---------------------------
Pop: 18.40M (Republic)
Tax: 40% (760g, cost=117g))
Sci: 30% (397b, 0T) (47 Total Adv) (Advs cost about 1500b)
Lux: 30% (most cities in WLTC)
Prod: 200MT (0T poll, 110 polluted tiles, No Skulls Yet)
Cities: 25
Wonders: 14 (Ancient: Pyr,HG,Col,GL Ren: All Ind: LW,JSB,ASTC)
ENEMY:
French: Republic, 7 Cities, Peace
Egypt: Republic, 21 Techs, 9 Cities, No Contact with Me Yet
Americans: Republic, 34 Techs, 2 Cities, War
Sioux: Monarchy, 32 Techs, 5 Cities, War
FORCES (Many are NONEs):
18 Settlers (4 in prod)
26 Musketeers
07 Dragons
09 Galleons (1 in prod)
06 Ironclads
05 Dips (2 in prod)
30 Caravans (4 in prod)
AD 1000 Day50 018.4; Leadership; S-Metallurgy; 290g-85, A01-LitBighorn (Silk,876,Dmd); A01-LBH (Gold,292,NoD); Killed Sioux Trireme(+1)
And here's the progress of my capital:
Old n Slow
Emperor
Just sent my games to the Duke. I also ran out of month before the game opportunites disappeared -- Like Starlifter & GaryNemo (send in your game before you go!). Ended up a conquest even though a trip to the stars could have been undertaken oh well!
Ended up with a couple of future techs (left behind Stealth, Combined Arms & Environ) which opens up a qustion for the general discussions -- what dead end techs should one leave behind in a scenario where futre techs can be had (& 5 points each for score)?
Ended up with a couple of future techs (left behind Stealth, Combined Arms & Environ) which opens up a qustion for the general discussions -- what dead end techs should one leave behind in a scenario where futre techs can be had (& 5 points each for score)?
Lucky
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Well, I started yesterday, played ´till 1AD and am close to finishing. My elephants and crusaders have already wiped out 3 civs, 3 more to go. And they are all eagerly building wonders for me to capture!
The map is far TOO BIG to finish a full game that´s why the try for early conquest but trying for a decent amount of points nonetheless.
This game will be more for fun though.
The map is far TOO BIG to finish a full game that´s why the try for early conquest but trying for a decent amount of points nonetheless.
This game will be more for fun though.