Additional Civ Component Discussion Thread

[pineappledan]

Hello all,

@Hinin and I have been discussing what we would have done differently with 4UC if we were given another shot at it, and it got us brainstorming a whole bunch of different, alternative components. Rather than having our brainstorming buried in a private chat that is hard to edit, update, and maintain, I thought I would post some of our ideas here.

Notes:

• This is not a thread for complaining about 4UC, you can do that in the actual 4UC thread
• Do not expect anyone from the 4UC project to actually make of this. building an entirely separate 5/6UC would be a monumental job. This is purely a theorycrafting exercise for now

Spoiler full list :

Base 43 civs
America - Mall (Stock Exchange) // Connecticut Class (Cruiser)
Arabia - Qa'aba (Grand Temple) // Ghazi (Horseman)
Assyria - Palgum (water mill) // Iraq Levy (WW1 Rifleman)
Austria - Evidenzbureau (NIA) // Uksok (Corvette)
Aztecs - Telpuchcalli (Armory) // Charro (Cavalry)
Babylon - Kuderru (UI) // Deku (UMU)
Brazil - Churrascaria (Grocer/Pharmacy) // Pracinha (Infantry)
Byzantium - Aplekton (UI) // Varangian Guard (Longswordsman) (Cataphract renamed to Tagma)
Carthage - Merchant Prince (Great Diplomat) // Numidian Cavalry (Skirmisher)
Celts - Metalsmith (Forge) // Gallowglass (Longswordsman)
China - Juntun (UI) // Shenjiying (Tercio/Pike & Shot)
Denmark - Pleasure Garden (Zoo) // Ski Infantry (Fusilier)
Egypt - Obelisk (UI) // Smsw (Composite Bowman)
England - Natural History Museum (Museum) // Redcoat (Fusilier)
Ethiopia - Ghebbi (Castle) // Kagnew Battalion (Infantry)
France - Troubador (GMusician) // Soixante-Quinze (Gatling Gun)
Germany - Schloss (UI) // Ulfhedinn (Warrior)
Greece - Acropolis (UI - current Acropolis UB replaced with Gymnasium) // Trihemiola (Trireme)
Huns - Kazan (Herbalist) // Battering Ram (Swordsman)
Inca - Tambo (Caravansary) // Pakayoc (Longswordsman)
India - Gopuram (UI) // Sepoy (Fusilier)
Indonesia - Wajang Theatre (Theatre/Opera House) // Bedil (Musketman)
Iroquois - Three Sisters Garden (UI) // Hondo'wats (archer)
Japan - Torii (UI) // Ashigaru (Tercio/Pike & Shot)
Korea - Hwarang (Armory) // Gukgung (Composite Bowman)
Maya - Dzib Actun (Observatory) // Zapatista (Gatling Gun)
Mongolia - Yam (Customs House) // Huihui Pao (Trebuchet)
Morocco - Mudbagatun (Arena) // Black Guard (Musketman)
Netherlands - Dutch East India Company (EIC renamed to charter company, UA renamed to something else) // Bataven (Swordsman)
Ottomans - Bedesten (Customs House) // Sipahi (Lancer)
Persia - Kahriz (UI) // Grivpanvar (Horseman)
Poland - Folwark (UI) // Kosynierzy (Unique Class)
Polynesia - Marae (Council, fale tele moved to Chancery) // Vaka Nui (penteconter)
Portugal - Fortaleza (Arsenal) // Knight of Aviz (Knight) or Ordonanças (Fusilier)
Rome - Fornix (Monument) // Fundibalarius (Slinger / Archer)
Russia - Veche (Heroic Epic) // Streltsy (musketman)
Shoshone - Casino (Stock Exchange) // Duwibi (Pathfinder)
Siam - Krom Klang (Envoy) // Little Tiger (Infantry)
Songhai - Jali (UCU) //
Spain - Casa de Contratación (EIC) // Tercio (base unit renamed to Pike & Shot)
Sweden - Folkemuseum (UI) // Two-Decker (Frigate)
Venice - Maggior Consiglio (Printing Press) // Carroccio (GGeneral)
Zulu - Sangoma (UCU) or Indumba/Inyanga (Pharmacy) // Isijula Warrior (Composite Bowman)

Custom Civs:
Israel - Yeshiva (university) // Qalla (Slinger)
Canada - Hockey Rink (Stadium) // Avro Arrow (Jet Fighter)
Goths - Hov (Temple) // Millenarius (Crossbow)
Tlingit - Totem Pole (Monument) //
Inuit - Soapstone Studio (Workshop) // Sniper (Unique class)
Sumer - Lunga (Granary) // Khopesh (Swordsman)
Timurids - Qila (replace Indian Qila with Dobi Ghat Hospital) // Zamburak (Cavalry)
Macedon - // Peltast (skirmisher)
Nubia - Kole (Aqueduct) //
Khmer - Tope Taveda (Shrine) //
Philippines - Palengke (Market) // Maharlika (Longsword)
Chola - Sangam (Library) // Urumi (Swordsman)
Hittites -
Ainu - Yukar Gathering (Amphitheater)
Scotland -
Louisiana -
Brittany - Ty Ker (UI)
Corsica -
Hisatsinom -

 

[pineappledan]

Spoiler America :

UU - Connecticut Class (Cruiser)

Available at Dynamite
900
Does not require Iron
40CS, 57RCS (2 Range)
10 Air Strike Defense
4Moves
Great White Fleet - +1 Movement when starting in Foreign lands you are not at war with. Ignores foreign borders, and does not decrease Influence when inside City-State Borders
Big Stick Diplomacy - Gaining a level grants Influence equal to the Unit's current level with all City-States.​

UB - Shopping Mall (Stock Exchange)

available at Electricity
1250 Production Cost
+5 Gold, +5 Culture
+20%Gold in the City
+1 Gold per 2 Citizens
+1 Culture per Global Franchise you control
+1Happiness for every Franchise present in the City
+2 Gold to Towns and Villages near City
cost of Gold Purchasing reduced by 10%
20% of Gold spent in this City is converted to Culture
1 Merchant Specialist​

Spoiler Arabia :

UU - Ghazi (Horseman)

Unlocked at Military Theory
90 Production cost
Requires Horses
14 CS
4 Movement
Can move after attacking
Penalty vs Cities
Sharaf - Gain 25 Faith from pillaging tiles.
Furusiyya - When you complete an Historic Event, heals 15 HP and gains +1 movement and ZOC for this turn.​

UNW - Kaaba (unique Reformation Wonder)

Unlocked at Philosophy
Requires 5% conversion to your religion (5% less than regular reformation wonder)
Must be built in a Holy City
Can choose a reformation belief
Immediately enhances your religion if it has not been enhanced already
+1010
+3Golden Age Points to all Great Person Tiles and Great Works
Great Prophets are instantly replaced by a different random Great person on birth
+100% Religious pressure to Trade Routes from this City​

Spoiler Assyria :

UU - Iraq Levy (Rifleman)

Available at Replaceable Parts
900
52 CS (+2 from GW infantry)
2 Movement
Entrenchments
Habbaniya Defenders - Aircraft garrisoned in the same city heal 5 HP each turn
Khoyada - When liberating a city, Gain 25 Culture for each Iraq Levy on Empire, scaling with Era.​

UB - Palgum (Water Mill)

Available at Construction (1 tech earlier)
110 (40 cheaper)
1gold maintenance
Can be built in any city (does not require a River)
331
1 for every 4 Citizens in the City
Gain 35% of the City's Food Production is added as an instant yield on Citizen birth
On construction, all Unimproved, Flat, Featureless River tiles the city owns are improved with a Farm.​

Spoiler Austria :

UU - Uskok (Corvette)

available at Navigation
325 Production Cost
5 Movement
41 CS
Piracy
Chivalric Code - When trained, +1 XP for every 2Faith generated in this city per turn​

UNW - Evidenzbureau (NIA)

Unlocked at Replaceable Parts (3 Techs earlier)
Does not require Police Station
-30% Defense needed modifier
+1 Spy
All existing spies gain +1 Level
25% reduction in enemy spy effectiveness
​

Spoiler Aztecs :

UU - Charro (Cavalry)

available at Military Science
800 Production Cost
Requires 1 Horse
4 Movement
35 CS, 43RCS
City Penalty
Can move after attack
Skirmisher doctrine
No defensive terrain bonuses
Rurales - When garrisoned in a city, reduces Distress by 2
​

UB - Telpochcalli (Armory)

Available at Education (same level as Steel)
300
2gold maintenance
+33
+1 for every 4Citizens in the city
+20 XP for all military units trained in this city
+2 Military supply cap
-1 unhappiness from distress​

 

[pineappledan]

Spoiler Babylon :

UMU - Deku

UI - Kudurru

Unlocked at Calendar
Requires the city to be working a farm
Requires a Shrine in the city
Built inside the city, costs 65Production
Upon completion, selects a random Farm improvement worked by the city and replaces it with a Kudurru
+1
+1 with access to Fresh Water
+1 to adjacent Farms and Kudurru​

Spoiler Brazil :

UU - Pracinha (Infantry)

Ulocked at Combined Arms
1100Production
63CS
2Movement
DFPs
Mobility
Amphibious
Home Front - On kill, gain +1 Happiness in all cities for 1 turn
​

UB - Churrascaria (Grocer)

Spoiler Byzantium :

Spoiler Carthage :

Spoiler Celts :

 

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Spoiler China :

Spoiler Denmark :

Spoiler Egypt :

Spoiler England :

Spoiler Ethiopia :

 

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Spoiler France :

Spoiler Germany :

Spoiler Greece :

Spoiler Huns :

Spoiler Inca :

 

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Spoiler India :

Spoiler Indonesia :

Spoiler Iroquois :

Spoiler Japan :

Spoiler Korea :

 

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Spoiler Maya :

Spoiler Mongolia :

Spoiler Morocco :

Spoiler Netherlands :

Spoiler Ottomans :

 

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Spoiler Persia :

Spoiler Poland :

Spoiler Polynesia :

Spoiler Portugal :

Spoiler Rome :

 

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Spoiler Russia :

Spoiler Shoshone :

Spoiler Siam :

Spoiler Songhai :

 

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Spoiler Sweden :

Spoiler Venice :

Spoiler Zulu :

 

[pineappledan]

Reserved

 

[pineappledan]

Reserved

 

[pineappledan]

Reserved

 

[balparmak]

I'm not sure about Ghazi, it feels a bit too generic to me, and a brief search doesn't really yield anything indicating a cavalry unit. Khalid bin Walid had a famous elite cavalry unit, the name escapes me though. Probably one of the ones mentioned on the wiki, I'm not sure which one was the most widely used
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashidun_cavalry

 

[DeAnno]

Given America's mostly unquestioned naval dominance has rested on them for decades and they have so much more tonnage of them than everyone else combined, I've always wondered about a Carrier UU for them. It would come really late, but it would match up better with America's "Golden Age".

 

[adan_eslavo]

This is plan for 5th and 6th unique component or changing current ones to another?

 

[Hinin]

This is plan for 5th and 6th unique component or changing current ones to another?

A bit of a mixed project : pineappledan's idea was to provide an alternative set of 3/4th UCs and, if some people want it despite the yield inflation it would cause, stack the two versions of 4UC together to obtain 6UCs per civ.

I called that Re:4UC.

 

[adan_eslavo]

YetAnother3rdAnd4thUniqueComponentForVP

Do you think yield inflation will be serious?

 

[pineappledan]

YnAMUCfVP

Basically just theorizing, providing an outlet for people to talk about what they would have done with the project. I think it's a fun creative exercise to talk about what could be included in a civ, as long as people don't hold out any expectations that it will materialize

 

[Rekk]

Each game everyone gets X random components