Brits Beat Up Kids

[Jawz II]

what you are now, is a direct result of what you were then, as in then when you were growing up. this is basic psychology.

id say (and im pulling this right outta my ass, theres no exact way of knowing) at least 90% of people who are nuts, are nuts as a direct result of their childhood.

if the conditions made people go nuts, all soldeirs would go nuts. but yeah, sure theyre under alot of pressure. its still no excuse. besides, what we saw wasnt some guy losing his mind and going berserk on some kid, it was a group. they were working together. it wasnt something spontaneous and in the heat of the moment.

they didnt beat them outside, they dragged them outta sight and then beat them.

 

[Jawz II]

But there has been and there are military operations there on a daily basis. If you are going to continue to argue that Iraq is a safe place and that our troops are there keeping the peace please let me know so I can put this down to being a waste of time and bow out of this argument.

feel free to bow out, cause thats what im doing now. all this typing and being clever is giving me a headache.

besides, ive said all i can say on the subject, and ive heard it all too.

 

[PrinceOfLeigh]

what you are now, is a direct result of what you were then, as in then when you were growing up. this is basic psychology.

Negative, although the majority of your personality is formed during your early years, according to some psychologists, events also have an impact. In the most extreme of cases this is PTSD.

if the conditions made people go nuts, all soldeirs would go nuts. but yeah, sure theyre under alot of pressure. its still no excuse.

Again no. But there is a chance that had this person not been put under the pressure he has over there he wouldn't have acted in this way. Again, it's environment having an impact on experience.

Besides, what we saw wasnt some guy losing his mind and going berserk on some kid, it was a group. they were working together. it wasnt something spontaneous and in the heat of the moment.

There are also studies which show that people act very differently in a crowd than they do on their own. It's been used to explain why people who are not normally violent engage in hooligan behaviour at Football matches.

But since we are bowing out we can let others fight over this.

 

[Tank_Guy#3]

@ Jaws: they're not American, so nobody here gives a second thought to the matter. However, if they were American, we would have at least 7 separate threads all basically saying that America is bad because we beat up poor little Iraqi children and rape their women and all that bull.

On topic: I am also disgusted at the treatment of these Iraqi's. Why would you beat the crap out of a kid? What's the point? And what happened to taking care of and rebuilding the conquered nation?

 

[ellie]

Negative, although the majority of your personality is formed during your early years, according to some psychologists, events also have an impact. In the most extreme of cases this is PTSD.




Again no. But there is a chance that had this person not been put under the pressure he has over there he wouldn't have acted in this way. Again, it's environment having an impact on experience.



There are also studies which show that people act very differently in a crowd than they do on their own. It's been used to explain why people who are not normally violent engage in hooligan behaviour at Football matches.

But since we are bowing out we can let others fight over this.

I really dont wanna get into a fight on this, but i think pressure especially if sustained and intense does affect how people behave. Another angle to look at is the huge proportion of homeless people in britain that are ex-soldiers. Clearly stresses experienced in the army have dealt with their ability to 'cope'

Also the falklands conflict caused more british military deaths through suicide after the war than in combat.

Anyway i quickly get bored with 'cyber-disputes' so gonna leave it there, and stick to civ iv forum ;p

 

[CaptainF]

Now, as a military man, I want to know exactly why we should expect more from our troops than that of the enemy?

I mean, I truly sympathize with soldiers stuck in situations like this.

Consider the Battle of the Bulge. When it got out that the Nazi's were executing POWs at Malmedy, what do you expect the American troops to do? What is the normal human response?

Its one thing and comment on morality half a world away....its totally another to be in the suck and live it day by day.

I am not a military man, or rather I don't plan on being one, but I think that as an informed individual I can comment on what I see.

Throwing rocks...not especially terrifying. I've had @ssholes throw some stuff at me from time to time. Did I find them later, drag them where nobody could see me and beat them silly for an extended period of time? No. Did I flip them off, intimidate them so as to deter any further occurances? Yeah. I'm human, but i'm not sadistic.

The WWII example is totally off the mark. They aren't engaging in massacres of our soldiers. Thats certainly not what they were doing there. Thats also not what we did back then either. Throwing a frickin' rock. I mean, comeon thats playground sh!t.

Why should we expect more of our soldiers? Well, for one, it could deter any propaganda about how Americans are barbarians. Thats a pretty good reason...

 

[general_kill]

NVA != VC

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Open a textbook before you talk about history. The NVA aka PAVN was not, ABSOLUTELY NOT the same as the VC (Charlies). Making a statement about how they are the same shows pure ignorance and lack of knowledge in the field of history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Army_of_Vietnam

"The People's Army of Vietnam (PAVN) is the term used by the Vietnamese for their army, but which during the Vietnam War (1957–1975) was incorrectly and erroneously known by foreigners and some foreign powers as the North Vietnamese Army (NVA)... The PAVN was not the Viet Cong"

insurgency = guerilla warfare (as speedo mentioned)
belive it or not, the US propaganda machine (or pchylogical warfare division or whatever its called), did their best to get the media to call NVA sappers "terrorists", certain (mostly american) right wing media did. most of the worlds press didnt buy it.

In your case, a dictionary is needed. Insurgency DOES NOT equal guerilla warfare. I do not know how you can interchangable use these two without insulting the intelligence of any high school history student.

An insurgent is: a person who revolts against civil authority or an established government.

PAVN was an establish army of an established self governing government. Insurgents in Iraq are not part of an army, are not being commanded by any organized hierarchy, and is not under the control of an established government.

North Vietnam never fell to America, they were fighting an OFFENSIVE war against the U.S. To lable them as insurgents is like calling the U.S. Army an insurgency in WW2.