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you're taking polling data from a civ4 forum. of course, if it was done in a civ3 forum, it'd be biased, too. but my point is that there are ALOT of dissapointed civers - far more than the 15% imo.
As there were many disappointed with CIII. A series like Civilization by necessity has to buck a good deal of continuity with each new installment to remain fresh and appealing as a series because the overall "story" of the game and aim of it remain the same, and that naturally results in a lot of faces for Firaxisyou're taking polling data from a civ4 forum. of course, if it was done in a civ3 forum, it'd be biased, too. but my point is that there are ALOT of dissapointed civers - far more than the 15% imo.
you're taking polling data from a civ4 forum. of course, if it was done in a civ3 forum, it'd be biased, too. but my point is that there are ALOT of dissapointed civers - far more than the 15% imo.
As there were many disappointed with CIII. A series like Civilization by necessity has to buck a good deal of continuity with each new installment to remain fresh and appealing as a series because the overall "story" of the game and aim of it remain the same, and that naturally results in a lot of faces for Firaxis
Psyringe said:I do feel sorry for you if you don't enjoy Civ4, and I can relate to what you're describing, but honestly, "killing one's fanbase" is vastly exaggerating. Actually the opposite is true.
In several polls that have been made on these forums, about 15% of users preferred Civ3 over Civ4. This is an amazingly low number considering that this forum had a *huge* fanbase of Civ3 players, and some of them inevitably *had* to be disappointed by the changes
I do feel sorry for you if you don't enjoy Civ4, and I can relate to what you're describing, but honestly, "killing one's fanbase" is vastly exaggerating. Actually the opposite is true.
In several polls that have been made on these forums, about 15% of users preferred Civ3 over Civ4. This is an amazingly low number considering that this forum had a *huge* fanbase of Civ3 players, and some of them inevitably *had* to be disappointed by the changes made.
Actually, Civ4 is a very good example for a game series that develops and changes *while keeping* (or even increasing) its fanbase. To put the 15% of people who still prefer Civ3 into perspective, have a look at another very successful game, TES4: Oblivion. It's raking in massive sales, but in its froums, *half* of its fans still prefer to play TES3: Morrowind when asked. That's a very good example of a game series that did *not* manage to keep its fans while developing new game features.
So, as much as I feel for those that were disappointed in Civ4, there was really nothing at all going on that could be described as "killing its fanbase". Every game in a series will leave some fans of the previous installments disappointed, that's inevitable. And the rate of disappointed fans for Civ4 was amazingly low.
Sorry, but I have to strongly disagree with you here! Have you actually been around in late 2005? I don't exaggerate if I say that for some time every day a thread about how bad Civ4 was was started. I remember even reading somewhere in a post in December or January (last year): One thing I dislike about new games released: the huge amount of trolling and unhappy members. And this was happening in both civ4 and civ3 forums!!!!
Oh, and only 15% of disappointed members is probably some kind of joke.
Hear hear. I agree with that - but one of the problems could be that the civ III source is not the possession of a single company. But I do hope that the code can be streamlined and a proper editor program created.When I say monumental changes, there are only a few that make my list:
a. Civ III-like complete editor (I know The_Lopez is working on some kind of editor) for Civ IV.
b. Take-Two releasing the base Civ III code to fan coders.
c. Take-Two taking the best ideas of all the Civ IV modders from the past year, and incorporating them into one complete commercial release, and would include streamlined code so larger maps could be played.
Disagree with that. I find it interesting hearing about other people's opinions on this.So until that day happens, I think we are all wasting energy and bandwidth discussing which is better, and I propose that admins automatically close all threads that discuss Civ III vs Civ IV, in all forums.
even today, around 8-9 PM my time (GMT+02:00) there are more people viewing the Civ3 C&C than the Civ4 C&C.
@Psyringe: There are a lot more of these polls. Try searching the Civ3 forums, see how many people prefer Civ4 there.
The biggest proof is in sales my friends. after the Civ3 players stoped buying, Warlords sales is what you got to show the real support for whats there and not what was expected to be there.