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Elena Kagan most likely to be new SCOTUS Justice

Ok, my Above Post was mostly in fun, but yes, I'm sure a political scheme exists, its probably to get some independants to like him (Which currently do not) by feigning a desire to compromise.

That's not entirely true. I myself am an independent (technically more of a pragmatic, moderate libertarian), and I voted for him because he was to me the most reasonable of the candidates. I personally was skeptical going in, and to be perfectly honest, if it wasn't for the whole Palin debacle, I probably would have flipped a coin to decide on Election Day. But he's consistently been a reasonable and yes, moderate, guy, and I am pleased with his performance so far, given the multitude of crises that were dumped in his lap when he started his term.

I agree with the first part of your statement though... I am sure that he does have a plan. He always has a plan.
 
"If Kagan is confirmed, Jews, who represent less than 2 percent of the U.S. population, will have 33 percent of the Supreme Court seats. Is this the Democrats' idea of diversity?"
-- Pat Buchanan
 
"If Kagan is confirmed, Jews, who represent less than 2 percent of the U.S. population, will have 33 percent of the Supreme Court seats. Is this the Democrats' idea of diversity?"
-- Pat Buchanan

How many catholics are on it? :mischief:
 
Well, to be fair, Jews and Catholics do tend to be overrepresented in legal circles. Not that it really matters, so long as we choose the best people for the job (which I'm a bit skeptical about to be honest, but sometimes you have to play politics.)
 
You have to be kidding. The is America where we think secular means that even Jews and Catholics are OK these days.
 
Has there ever been an openly atheist Justice?

I assume not.

Wikipedia, don't fail me now . . .

Although the Court has been pretty good with minority groups -- Roger Taney was Catholic and nominated in 1836. The first Jewish Justice was, of course, Brandeis in 1916 (interesting trivia: Justice McReynolds wouldn't even sit with Brandeis at lunch!). Benjamin Cardozo apparently didn't practice a religion, but was proud of his Jewish heritage.

And interesting one is David Davis,* who served in the 1860s and was not affiliated with a particular denomination.

Cleo

*Davis was the largest landowner in the state of Illinois at his death, and is a first cousin three times removed from George H. W. Bush. Seriously, could there be bluer blood the Bushes? Fake accent, fake ranch, *grumble, grumble*
 
*Davis was the largest landowner in the state of Illinois at his death, and is a first cousin three times removed from George H. W. Bush. Seriously, could there be bluer blood the Bushes? Fake accent, fake ranch, *grumble, grumble*
Davis had an interesting footnote role in the 1876 election mess. :)

More OT...

What I find interesting about the AZ law is that if this was a law that, say, restricted gun rights as a response to crime fears the right wing would loudly and angrily yell "ENFORCE THE LAWS THAT ALREADY EXIST" and go on about how it was an authoritarian grab blah blah blah.

</rhetorical>I wonder why they take the opposite viewpoint here?</end rhetorical>
 
Hang on, did I just see right-wingers implicitly arguing for racial or religious quotas for the SCOTUS?
 
Please can we end the use of lazy acronyums like"SCOTUS" and"POTUS".

i'm gonna ask eran
 
Please can we end the use of lazy acronyums like"SCOTUS" and"POTUS".

i'm gonna ask eran

Sorry, Quackers, but everybody uses "SCOTUS," even lawyers and professors. Heck, Akin, Gump's blog on the Supreme Court -- probably the number one Supreme Court source on the Internet -- is called "SCOTUSBlog." I prefer "The Supremes," but "SCOTUS" is pretty well-established.

Cleo
 
Certainly obliterates the WASP myth..
I would say that it proves that the exclusive dominion which Protestants formerly held in regards to European-American domination of public life has been overturned; what you suggest is altogether more contentious, and, additionally, rather glib.
 
EDITORIAL: Kagan speech rationing
Supreme Court pick would make government an arbiter of speech


Would Supreme Court nominee Elena Kagan outlaw "Common Sense"? Ms. Kagan's work on First Amendment free-speech issues suggests she might restrict Thomas Paine, circa 1776, from distributing his famous pamphlet. Solicitor General Kagan likewise might outlaw "The Federalist Papers" if Founding Fathers James Madison and Alexander Hamilton refused to say who paid to publish their essays. These views on the First Amendment are troubling enough to raise serious doubts as to whether the Senate should confirm her for the high court.

It was President Obama who deliberately put the focus on Ms. Kagan's First Amendment theories by highlighting her efforts to restrict the ability of corporate entities to engage in political speech. As former Gov. Frank White of Arkansas once put it, the president thus "opened a whole box of Pandoras." Ms. Kagan's First Amendment work repeatedly promotes the idea that speech rights are granted by government rather than inherent in the God-given nature of man.

In her Supreme Court oral arguments in the corporate-speech case of Citizens United v. FEC, Ms. Kagan hedged on whether government could ban corporate-funded political books. But she did say that "a pamphlet would be different. A pamphlet is pretty classic electioneering," and thus subject to campaign restrictions. So sorry, Mr. Madison.

In the government's brief in a case called United States v. Stevens, Ms. Kagan elaborated: "Whether a given category of speech enjoys First Amendment protection depends upon a categorical balancing of the value of the speech against its societal costs." Whoa, Nellie, who - pray tell - does the balancing? Judges? Bureaucrats? The Almighty President?

While it isn't always fair to ascribe personally to solicitors general the positions they argue in court on the government's behalf, it is fair if the arguments they use in court echo ones they made in private practice. Ms. Kagan's record suggests her personal views match her solicitor arguments. In a 1996 University of Chicago Law Review article, she argued that speech restrictions are allowable if the government's "motive" is acceptably nonideological. In dense academic prose, Ms. Kagan openly mused about the merits of "redistribution of expression," of "neutral regulations of speech ... that are justified in terms of achieving diversity" and of "disfavoring [an] idea [to] 'unskew,' rather than skew, public discourse."

These government-favoring ideas on speech mirror a government-centric view of ... well, of everything. In a footnote in that 1996 essay, Ms. Kagan wrote that restrictions on corporate speech were based "on the ground that corporate wealth derives from privileges bestowed on corporations by the government. But this argument fails, because individual wealth also derives from government action. ... The question in every case is whether the government may use direct regulation of speech to redress prior imbalances."

The simple answer to that question is no. Individuals, not governments, create wealth - and individuals acting in a free market of ideas can use speech to try to redress any perceived imbalances. Ms. Kagan's apparent view to the contrary is disturbing and should be disqualifying.

But you really really need people like this on the bench so that things like this:

SUNSTEIN: Sites of one point of view agree to provide links to other sites so that if you're reading a conservative magazine, they would provide a link to a liberal site, and vice-versa, just to make it easy for people to get access to competing views, or maybe a popup on your screen that would show an advertisement or maybe even a quick argument for a competing view. The best would be for this to be done voluntarily, but the word "voluntary" is a little complicated and sometimes people don't do what's best for our society unless Congress holds hearings or unless the public demands it. And the idea would be to have a legal mandate as the last resort and to make sure it's as neutral as possible if we have to get there, but to have that as, you know, an ultimate weapon designed to encourage people to do better.

and this:

OBAMA: If you're a fan of Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh, try reading a few columns on the Huffington Post website. It may make your blood boil, your mind may not be changed, but the practice of listening to opposing views is essential for effective citizenship.

Can fall into place and you can control media content and control "free" speech. Because free speech is troublesome.

Obama: Well I think that when you listen to Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck it&#8217;s pretty apparent. It&#8217;s troublesome.

This collection of people is surely going to be great if they are in power for any length of time beyond 4 years.
 
What a whacky editorial.

Limited corporate spending is not the same as banning a pamphlet.

It whines about God-given rights being restricted in regards to a man-created entity.

It conflates advocacy in the course of being a lawyer with actual viewpoint.
 
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