Emperor Cookbook III -- Kublai Kahn
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RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
Hi 
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To 800 AD:
Cheers,
Raskolnikov
,To 800 AD:
Spoiler :
Cheers,
Raskolnikov
The round is over--here are the submitted saves (looks like we have some really good ones this time!)
Soirana: Post, Save
Gumbolt: Post, Save
KingMorgan: Post, Save
RJM: Post, Save
RRRaskolnikov: Post, Save
ChromiumL: Post, Save
We will vote for two days (until Wednesday) and then we will determine a winner and start the next round!
Soirana: Post, Save
Gumbolt: Post, Save
KingMorgan: Post, Save
RJM: Post, Save
RRRaskolnikov: Post, Save
ChromiumL: Post, Save
We will vote for two days (until Wednesday) and then we will determine a winner and start the next round!
Okay I think there are 3 obvious choices.
1. Soirana - His rush is on Hammy was a success and he has 2-3 more cities from this. The science rate at over 100 beakers a turn is good. Akkad is going to be a pain to keep. Might flip to yaqob. The extra land will be useful.
2. RRRaskolnikov - You have a good tech situation going on. Your capital could be a useful GP farm. I am concerned about the lack of military though. Although Hammy is still stuck on archers and phants. You could be pumping macemen and KK. You are building an awful lot of wonders!! Not sure the sistine chapel is going to help much. if you have philosophy Sw wonder is less useful too.
3. ChromiumL - Your rush seemed a lot more prepared than mine. Its a shame you didnt plant the first GS on Hammy! GS are really useful if you dont have catapults and to steal techs too. Its quite hard to get a spy across the map without being caught. Only issue here is the 69 beakers a turn at 10% science. I think with some work that science will improve. Still you are holding par with the AI and you have a good 10 uu in Babylon.
I think king Morgan was unlucky to be attacked. This however did make this a less preferable save.
I considered RJM save but he is struggling on the military side without machinery. Crossbowmen/LB/ phants and macemen will chew up your border cities in no time if you are attacked. Most of the Ai seemed to have CS and Machinery. Doh.
My save was crippled by the alexander stack. Unlucky also for Yaqob to vassel Hammy too. Sometimes things just dont go for you. Thats the advantage of dow before feudalism. I dont expect to get any votes this time.
I thought my continuation of my save went better although Alexander had a huge military force.
1. Soirana - His rush is on Hammy was a success and he has 2-3 more cities from this. The science rate at over 100 beakers a turn is good. Akkad is going to be a pain to keep. Might flip to yaqob. The extra land will be useful.
2. RRRaskolnikov - You have a good tech situation going on. Your capital could be a useful GP farm. I am concerned about the lack of military though. Although Hammy is still stuck on archers and phants. You could be pumping macemen and KK. You are building an awful lot of wonders!! Not sure the sistine chapel is going to help much. if you have philosophy Sw wonder is less useful too.
3. ChromiumL - Your rush seemed a lot more prepared than mine. Its a shame you didnt plant the first GS on Hammy! GS are really useful if you dont have catapults and to steal techs too. Its quite hard to get a spy across the map without being caught. Only issue here is the 69 beakers a turn at 10% science. I think with some work that science will improve. Still you are holding par with the AI and you have a good 10 uu in Babylon.
I think king Morgan was unlucky to be attacked. This however did make this a less preferable save.
I considered RJM save but he is struggling on the military side without machinery. Crossbowmen/LB/ phants and macemen will chew up your border cities in no time if you are attacked. Most of the Ai seemed to have CS and Machinery. Doh.
My save was crippled by the alexander stack. Unlucky also for Yaqob to vassel Hammy too. Sometimes things just dont go for you. Thats the advantage of dow before feudalism. I dont expect to get any votes this time.
I thought my continuation of my save went better although Alexander had a huge military force.
Not keeping an adequate army is one of my faults (at all levels). However, there is a good chance that I can trade for machinery next turn after I discover philosophy.
RJM
My votes are:
1. ChromiumL (probably slightly inferior save to Soirana's, but good research rate. Ham will capitulate and I'd enjoy learning how best to exploit a vassal.)
2. Soirana (best alround save IMO and I'd expect to be able to win from this position)
3. RRRaskolnikov (strong position with a good research rate)
RJM
1. ChromiumL (probably slightly inferior save to Soirana's, but good research rate. Ham will capitulate and I'd enjoy learning how best to exploit a vassal.)
2. Soirana (best alround save IMO and I'd expect to be able to win from this position)
3. RRRaskolnikov (strong position with a good research rate)
RJM
KingMorgan
Deity
1, Soirana
2, ChromiumL
3, RRRash
2, ChromiumL
3, RRRash
Yeah i saw that. You would still need to upgrade/build the units too. The Ai goes upgrade crazy when they get a new unit. I have seen stacks of caravels turn into frigates within a turn.
Its also interesting how many people still had the espionage on Salladin in reserve. I certainly never used it. Too far for my spy to travel.
I'm ignorant about the espionage system - I tend to turn it off in my games these days. Where did all those points come from?
RJM
Chrom dropped a great spy in Salladins cities.
Great spies are great. espionage allows you to create revolts. This knocks out the defence bonus to 0% for a turn. You lose a lot less troops when your kk attacks cities with no 50-60% cultural defence bonus. Also when an Ai city has a castle trebs/catapults only dent the defences 4% each. 4-5 turns later the Ai has created 4-5+ more units.
3000 espionage points also allows you to steal technology. It also reveals city builds and Ai teching. Make no mistake espionage can be very powerful. On Chroms latest save he put his second Gspy to great use planting him on Hammy.
Yep great spies have their use.
@RJM
They came from a great spy that was spawned thanks to points you get when you build Great Wall.
I have found that they are great during wars since you can incite a city revolt fairly easily and that reduces their cultural defense to 0%.
I really don't know what I was thinking when I settled the first great spy so far away... I guess it is just my risk adverse nature kicking in (its hard for a target far away to have a successful military campaign against you if they get pissed about catching spys). Obviously I am still learning how to best use a great spy--but I think my second settlement of a great spy with Hammy went pretty well in my war!
Some interesting articles I have read (and apparently forgotten since some of the tips could have been useful in this round)
About the spread culture mission which I should have used in Akkad before capturing it.
General espionage strategies
About the effectiveness of an espionage economy (EE) vs manual research
I have played a few games recently trying to run an EE, and it actually seems to work fairly well--especially on higher difficulties where opponents generally have a tech lead. A few early great spys from the great wall can really make a difference (if you aren't stupid like me and settle them all the way across the continent!).
They came from a great spy that was spawned thanks to points you get when you build Great Wall.
I have found that they are great during wars since you can incite a city revolt fairly easily and that reduces their cultural defense to 0%.
I really don't know what I was thinking when I settled the first great spy so far away... I guess it is just my risk adverse nature kicking in (its hard for a target far away to have a successful military campaign against you if they get pissed about catching spys). Obviously I am still learning how to best use a great spy--but I think my second settlement of a great spy with Hammy went pretty well in my war!
Some interesting articles I have read (and apparently forgotten since some of the tips could have been useful in this round)
About the spread culture mission which I should have used in Akkad before capturing it.
General espionage strategies
About the effectiveness of an espionage economy (EE) vs manual research
I have played a few games recently trying to run an EE, and it actually seems to work fairly well--especially on higher difficulties where opponents generally have a tech lead. A few early great spys from the great wall can really make a difference (if you aren't stupid like me and settle them all the way across the continent!).
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
Hi,
my votes:
1 Soirana
2 ChroniumL
3 RJM
The first two have made the difference, the game is not won because it needs to be played but the situation is totally dominant
RJM played peacefully, the techs are also less advanced than the two previous saves, but still a favorable situation (to actually win the game).
at the 4 very busy workers...
KingMorgan and Gumbolt are at war, but defending... the situation is tough.
@KM: you can force peace between Darius and Alex (with philo) and unleash Alex on Hammi. Also, you can backfill some stuff with philo (mettallurgy, monarchy, calendar)...
@Gumbolt: hard... Zara and Alex won't talk... and the greek stack will be hard to contain . It would be nice to look if you could have done something (bribe someone) before declaring (or vassalize Hammi in the first place)
Cheers,
Raskolnikov
my votes:
1 Soirana
2 ChroniumL
3 RJM
The first two have made the difference, the game is not won because it needs to be played but the situation is totally dominant
RJM played peacefully, the techs are also less advanced than the two previous saves, but still a favorable situation (to actually win the game).
at the 4 very busy workers...KingMorgan and Gumbolt are at war, but defending... the situation is tough.
@KM: you can force peace between Darius and Alex (with philo) and unleash Alex on Hammi. Also, you can backfill some stuff with philo (mettallurgy, monarchy, calendar)...
@Gumbolt: hard... Zara and Alex won't talk... and the greek stack will be hard to contain . It would be nice to look if you could have done something (bribe someone) before declaring (or vassalize Hammi in the first place)
Cheers,
Raskolnikov
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
@Gumbolt: many wonders in my save because there are big culture problems in the gold city . I didn't feel like attacking was the good move with those LBs and all... but was greatly proved wrong by Soirana and Chronium who made great use of the kelshiks.
My plan would be to attack with trebs/rifles or something/cannons and then go on full war 'till the end
Cheers
. I didn't feel like attacking was the good move with those LBs and all... but was greatly proved wrong by Soirana and Chronium who made great use of the kelshiks.My plan would be to attack with trebs/rifles or something/cannons and then go on full war 'till the end
Cheers
I wasnt worried about Zara in my save. His chariots and HA were contained by 1-2 spears. It was Alexander that caused my headache.
In terms of his stack he had very few spears. The terrain was favourable to him.
All in all it wasnt a good situation. I do wonder if my stack could of held him off. might have lost babylon.
In terms of his stack he had very few spears. The terrain was favourable to him.
All in all it wasnt a good situation. I do wonder if my stack could of held him off. might have lost babylon.
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