Thanks for your thoughts
"heh. Based on this I just discovered the optimal solution to the Plague Armageddon event: Immediately switch to slavery. Your cities won't starve while your in anarchy, and then after you exit anarchy, since those people are going to starve anyway, why not whip them into something useful?"
Yep that's what I always do.
"anyway the reason why cities can't starve while rioting is because if they could then they would almost always starve to one or two pop, because they cannot work tiles while rioting."
which is why I suggested this: "enabling the city radius, food production, and starvation" but disabling everything else. I know this issue is present in base Civ, but I've never understood why.
"Sheaim people are people who either agree with the Sheaim worldview, hope to benefit from the Sheaim, are slaves, or are undead or extraplanar outsiders. Of these, the slaves would great the liberators, but the others wouldn't, and from the liberator's POV, there would be a lot of purging of evil magic and such to do, which could also be represented by the riot period."
In the lore people are horrified by the sounds of torture in Os Gabella's palace and pray for her victim. How loyal could people really be to a worldview that wants to end the world? Most likely the ordinary people are held in bondage to a tyranny whose objectives they don't really understand. Even their second leader was forced into the position under threat of eternal torture. Very interesting counter concerning the purging though.
" Oh also, Sheaim aren't always "evil" as far as the game alignment system goes. I'm currently fighting "Good" aligned Sheaim who founded Order and instantly converted to it. Their still the same pyre-zombieing, AC-raising Sheaim we all know and "love" but according to the game their "Good" aligned because their an Order civ."
Interesting. Good aligned isn't possible is it? Do you mean neutral? Maybe people would only celebrate liberation if they played as evil and revealed their true character?
"regarding the Calabim, a lot of fictional vampires have supernatural means to control their slaves. I've always assumed that's part of why their populance is loyal."
In the lore people attempted a revolution and of course they can still riot.
"If we do this, Octopus Overlords and the Sheaim would need serious buffs."
Which is why I'm suggesting it in conjunction with this: "Reduced WW or none at all for defeated summons and undead." It'd mean substituting civ wide WW for localised unhappiness. I think it'd be an interesting variation and more logical lore-wise.
"heh. Based on this I just discovered the optimal solution to the Plague Armageddon event: Immediately switch to slavery. Your cities won't starve while your in anarchy, and then after you exit anarchy, since those people are going to starve anyway, why not whip them into something useful?"
Yep that's what I always do.
"anyway the reason why cities can't starve while rioting is because if they could then they would almost always starve to one or two pop, because they cannot work tiles while rioting."
which is why I suggested this: "enabling the city radius, food production, and starvation" but disabling everything else. I know this issue is present in base Civ, but I've never understood why.
"Sheaim people are people who either agree with the Sheaim worldview, hope to benefit from the Sheaim, are slaves, or are undead or extraplanar outsiders. Of these, the slaves would great the liberators, but the others wouldn't, and from the liberator's POV, there would be a lot of purging of evil magic and such to do, which could also be represented by the riot period."
In the lore people are horrified by the sounds of torture in Os Gabella's palace and pray for her victim. How loyal could people really be to a worldview that wants to end the world? Most likely the ordinary people are held in bondage to a tyranny whose objectives they don't really understand. Even their second leader was forced into the position under threat of eternal torture. Very interesting counter concerning the purging though.
" Oh also, Sheaim aren't always "evil" as far as the game alignment system goes. I'm currently fighting "Good" aligned Sheaim who founded Order and instantly converted to it. Their still the same pyre-zombieing, AC-raising Sheaim we all know and "love" but according to the game their "Good" aligned because their an Order civ."
Interesting. Good aligned isn't possible is it? Do you mean neutral? Maybe people would only celebrate liberation if they played as evil and revealed their true character?
"regarding the Calabim, a lot of fictional vampires have supernatural means to control their slaves. I've always assumed that's part of why their populance is loyal."
In the lore people attempted a revolution and of course they can still riot.
"If we do this, Octopus Overlords and the Sheaim would need serious buffs."
Which is why I'm suggesting it in conjunction with this: "Reduced WW or none at all for defeated summons and undead." It'd mean substituting civ wide WW for localised unhappiness. I think it'd be an interesting variation and more logical lore-wise.
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