Awesome! The Motherland Calls effect is cool. I guess the Florence Cathedral is taking the Leaning Tower's place? Also, I like the addition of modern Asian wonders such as the Pearl Tower and Gardens By the Bay. I went to the latter a couple years back and it's quite impressive.
Yes, Santa Maria del Fiore is essentially a reskin of the Leaning Tower. If you have more modern (Asian) wonders in mind please suggest them. Late Global and Digital era techs could still use more wonders.
Also, I know I made this suggestion in the Completely Dumb Ideas Thread before but seriously, can we do this for the digital era? Pls!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Recycling_and_Northern_Development_Canal
Don't know how I feel about aborted planned projects. I am willing to include planned/speculative projects (and have done so with ITER, and there's the Space Elevator obviously) but that's a bit different.
Any reason you decided to name it 'Monolithic Church' rather than 'Bete Giyorgis' after the most famous stone church in the complex?
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Any reason you're not calling it the 'Naqsh-e Jahan Square' or 'Meidan Emam'?
I know I'm not being entirely consistent with that, but in general I prefer English language names if available. For lesser known wonders it makes it easier to form some sort of understanding of the wonder, I think.
This strikes me as
way too powerful -- that would give +50%
in
every one of your cities on the map, plus Great Merchant points. Would it be possible to implement a "double production for banks and stock markets' or something similar, so it's powerful but still requires effort to get the full benefit?
Ditto for this one -- way too powerful than I'd be comfortable with. Levees are a massive late-game boost to most cities' productivity; they're usually quite expensive as well, so giving them for free is a massive bonus. I'd prefer something more like 'double production for Levees in all cities' (perhaps removing the prereq that cities require a river?). Perhaps the effect could be expanded to apply to mass transit/superhighways as well.
Banks only give +25% gold. Overall I like free building effects, which are underused right now in my opinion. They are powerful, but their utility is also limited because they provide no bonus not available to anyone else, only immediately while saving production. I see your point about the combination with free specialists, especially for Brooklyn Bridge. If more Industrial wonders are proposed they could easily be split.
I love this effect. Just wanted to say that.
Yeah, I like effects that modify an existing game rule more than those who just provide a bonus. I felt like settling is the weaker choice for GPs late in the game, so this makes it a bit more appealing. And it interacts with the German UP.
(Just for context, I had ideas for all these extra wonders already, I'm mainly not sure if they would be too much to add as well.)
I dislike Civ V/VI for using the Petra wonder to turn desert cities into super-cities. I'd really prefer the effects be limited to a single tile (a desert oasis), but to make that one tile
awesome. Something like auto-place a town on a desert oasis, +1
, +1
, maybe a free trade route for the city. Or perhaps a general effect, like +1 trade route with camel resources.
Yeah, or just flat +1 trade route. The wonder could require an Oasis instead.
Given the overlap with politics (it was part of Charlemagne's Palace) and religion (it is part of Aachen Cathedral), there are a lot of potential effects here. Perhaps a combination effect: serves as a free palace plus all palaces receive benefits as though they were cathedrals?
My thought was to make it cheap and allow you to defy the Apostolic Palace without penalties (representing the conflict between the Holy Roman Emperor and the Pope).
Speaking of medieval religious wonders... any plans for a Cluny Abbey?
Oh, good point. I don't have an idea for its effect, but I don't really want it to be a science bonus.
I think I included this in my wonder mega-list, with the suggest effect of providing lots of free XP for spies built in the city, or a bunch of free promotions. Alternately, give less XP (or fewer promotions) but for spies built in all cities you own.
Yeah, a flat +10 XP in the city for spies would work well.
Perhaps a cumulative bonus for every monastery of your state religion? (+1 culture per Orthodox monastery?) You might add other effects like +1 science or +1 happiness for every four monasteries.
Seems kinda weak, and I would like to avoid wonder effects that buff other buildings.
Either bonus for building ships (especially gunpowder ships), or a bunch of free XP for all ships built in that city, or a bunch of free promotions. Alternately, like Alamut, less XP or fewer promotions but for every city owned.
My idea was +1 production for every ship built.
Looks like the real-world Amber Room was a cultural milestone with major ties to diplomacy of the period. Perhaps we could find an effect that ties to diplomacy: bonus culture (amount or percent) for every 'friendly' relation, or per alliance/defensive pact? Or perhaps something to make alliances and defensive pacts much easier to negotiate?
Right, I'd also like to go in the defensive pact direction. But I don't want only effects that influence AI behaviour, there should also be some other material benefit.
Not really a fan of this wonder, given it was a failure in its stated purpose (to pave the way for closed systems re: space colonization), but we could certainly use it like the existing Space Elevator, where it gives bonuses for certain Alpha Centauri mission ship parts. Alternately, if you plan on expanding the 'space race' to allow for moon landing --> mars landing --> moon colonization --> mars colonization --> Alpha Centauri, then this wonder would have a lot more usefulness.
Yes. Right now the main problem is the lack of appealing art. It's true that all current project were failures but you could easily move the wonder to slight "future" technology like ITER (for example, Biotechnology) to account for that.
I have also thought about the space race in context of the wonder changes, and a couple of late game wonders could interact with it (i.e. Biosphere, Hubble, I left out the ISS for that reason at the moment). I think I will be going with a more tiered approach like Man in Space, Moon Landing, Mars Landing, and then Mars Colony as final goal. It's more realistic in the timeframe of the mod and with the available technologies, and it should be possible to reframe all spaceship parts as colony modules. This could be accompanied by a couple of optional wonders or projects like Hubble, Biosphere, ISS, Moon Base, or exploration missions for the rest of the solar system, which either speed up other space projects or provide benefits depending on how far along these are. I'm also thinking about the ability to launch generic satellites for espionage, science or commerce. But all of that is a bit too involved to be part of the wonder expansion branch.
Bonus food or health or science for every food-related wonder owned by player. (Or, owned by player and any other friendly civ).
Wonder or resource?
Perhaps the Global Seed Vault could be a team project that allows workers to plant forests?
I always thought it should be possible to reforest, though the global seed vault seems to be more related to agriculture than forestry.
Yeah, I would love this ability but it doesn't seem it's the right wonder for that.
Are you interested in adding wonders that fill the gaps of civilizations that have no wonders? I'm sure Mexico, Colombia, Argentina and Turkey have some kind of wonderful landmarks. Not sure about Vikings and Congo.
I would love to if there is a legitimate wonder. Having at least one wonder per civilisation is not the goal and I don't want to force it.
A Swedish period "Viking" wonder would be great though, because it would also add another Protestant wonder. Preferably military oriented.
Very nice!
- I've said this elsewhere, but Nalanda is literally a Buddhist monastery, so it should definitely require Buddhism in the city.
- What is the Salt Cathedral? Wikipedia points to the Salt Cathedral of Zipaquirá in Colombia, but your map suggests it refers to the Wieliczka Salt Mine in Poland. I guess you mean the latter, but it's not a cathedral.
- Atomium seems weak, my feeling is that the AI builds very few ICBMs? It uses a lot of nuclear bombers though.
- Is it intended that there are two late game wonders with the same +100% science effect? Feels a bit boring.
The "close candidates" I would like to see most are Petra, the Amber Room, and the Global Seed Vault. Of the ones in the previous thread that you don't seem to have retained, I really liked Akihabara. I'll look at everything in game some time this week.
- True about Nalanda, I even read that when I was looking up its precise location on the map. Hindu state religion + Buddhism in the city then?
- To quote Wikipedia: "The Wieliczka mine is often referred to as "the Underground Salt Cathedral of Poland". In 1978 it was placed on the original
UNESCO list of the
World Heritage Sites.
[6] Even the crystals of the
chandeliers are made from rock salt that has been dissolved and reconstituted to achieve a clear, glass-like appearance. It also houses a private rehabilitation and wellness complex."
- Sure, I can rephrase it to include all nuclear weapons. Will be easier to implement anyway.
- I want to make both of them more interesting through interaction with international projects (LHC) or space projects (Hubble), so the current effects are mostly stop gaps until those are in place.
Are there no wonders in Central Asia (i.e. for the Turks)?
There's the Salsal Buddha (Bamyan), but it wasn't built by the Turks. Otherwise no, something for Samarkand maybe? I think the Timurid UP from SoI would make for an appropriate effect.
I would also like to propose a wonder for Industrial Era:
Mole Antonelliana (Engine): +10% production per peak in city radius
.
(
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mole_Antonelliana). It's the tallest unreinforced brick building in the world and a symbol of the House of Savoy who unified Italy. One of the problems of Italian Peninsula is the lack of power resources (coal, oil or uranium) that make it weak in late game. From Risorgimento, Northern Italy has become the most productive area (e.g. today Lombardy is the 2nd European region in terms of GDP). The only peculiar feature in Italian map are peaks, in number of 6 in the new larger map, representing Alps; their hydric basin represented the main way to provide electric power from the 2nd half of 19th century to 50s. I think that a late boost for this territory could be given by a Great Wonder such like this.
Good idea, I'm in favour of Industrial wonders of any kind. Do you know if there's appropriate art for it?
