TBH I take his comment to be a little bit of playing possum... As in he is trying to insinuate that CP and Poly have taken the brunt of their force, when in truth, they are saving it to do as much damage as possible to us.
I take it as a compliment on our team that RB thinks that we're masterminding the whole operation. BTW, we probably get some nice refugees if the end result of the war is total annihilation of RB since at least some in their team seem to think highly of us.
It's not very surprising that RB might associate team CFC to you and Sommers as you guys are our team captains. Especially since you've been very active in diplo and I think they know you are one of our main turn players, it is very easy to think that you and Sommers run the team. There's no way for them to know how we really are organized.I feel a bit bad about them associating our whole team with me. And I dont know why this association is a bad thing in their eyes The easiest for me is to give it to their arrogance and overproudness.
(as if there is more room to do so )
I have confidence that you bistrita and 2metra are just flat out better fighters than anyone over there. We have outmanuvered RB in diplomacy, at least for now, of this there can be no doubt. Now we have to beat them on the battlefield, and I have high spirits because I think that this is one of 2metra's greatest talents. I do not know if you are better at War or at micro, but it is clear to me that you are a master at both, so yes, I have high spiritsI like your high spirit.
Yes I sensed this too from him, but I think he was very chivalrous about it, repeating that his congrats were genuine etc... However, as I said I don't think we can start counting chickens just yet. All we have right now are eggs. RB can still surprise us with some stealth alliance or by breaking up our alliance from within. We would be fools to assume that they have just given up completely, or that they are not devising some new tricks to get out of this messHe sounded bitter.
YossarianLives: Hey Scooter, you around?
Sent at 7:03 AM on Friday
Scooter: hey, I"m around now
Sent at 3:57 PM on Friday
Scooter: sorry I missed your message earlier. busy day at work so I wasn't signed in much
YossarianLives: Oh no problem
TGIF
Scooter: seriously!
YossarianLives: Well, I just wanted to let you know that we'll be declaring war this turn
Scooter: yeah, figured
YossarianLives: Yeah, I didn't think it would come as too much of a surprise
But good luck in the upcoming conflict. I'm still available if you want to hit me up about anything
Scooter: hah, well thanks. I don't imagine you guys are too interested in any sort of deal at this point, so I figure we probably wont' have much to discuss
nicely done getting the western duo to do the dirty work for you. no sarcasm - nicely done. barring something crazy happening, you guys probably have got this thing well in hand
YossarianLives: Well we can always chat about the big win over Notre Dame coming up tomorrow
Scooter: sure hope so! you a michigan fan??
YossarianLives: Thanks, I think your swift defeat of the German army made all your neighbors nervous
Yeah, alum
Scooter: yeah they basically got scared into it I think. understandable, but if I were them, I would be making sure they werne't just replacing one runaway (us) with another (you).
oh, nice
I went to school out of state, but grew up watching michigan football every saturday
YossarianLives: Well here's to hoping for that outcome
Scooter: yep!
Sent at 4:03 PM on Friday
YossarianLives: We'll just have to keep an eye that your new friends UCiv don't come at us from behind
Scooter: heh. those guys definitely dont' have any military. but that funding is kiiiind of a big deal
YossarianLives: Yeah, T175 couldn't come fast enough. Rifles will be scary
Scooter: I wish CivFr had actually tried to do diplo this game. I think they would have been natural allies with us geographically, and that probably could have kept things from getting to where they are
yeah, we'll scrape together what rifles we can get. because what we DO have is certainly not scary for cavs and cannons, hah
Sent at 4:06 PM on Friday
YossarianLives: Would have been a much different game. The timing on CivFr accepting peace with us worked out very nicely
Scooter: haha no kidding. we had sent them like 5 straight messages over the course of a few weeks and they ignored them all and made peace.
guess they really want to finish 2nd
Sent at 4:09 PM on Friday
YossarianLives: I think they just really couldn't see themselves making any gains. We both had spies in each other's territory (I assume), so any move one of us would make would immediately get countered
Scooter: yeah I mean that much makes sense, but when they can get confirmation that you guys are swinging the bulk of your army into our land, that's a fairly open back door
and also confirmation that if they dont intervene, you guys are about to have way way more cities than them, hah
Sent at 4:13 PM on Friday
YossarianLives: Well this is when you need to get Sulla back in the game. He's the expert at defeating dogpiles
Scooter: heh. beating poorly timed dogpiles of outdated units is much easier than dogpiles from teams with more advanced units than you
YossarianLives: Otherwise I'm just hoping Mostly Harmless lives up to his name
Scooter: heh, how'd you know he was playing turns? did he log in with his actual name recently?
you guys gonna take starfall this turn?
YossarianLives: No, but he posted asking that the warring teams not end turn since he only has a short window to play in a few days
Scooter: ah right
Sent at 4:19 PM on Friday
YossarianLives: I haven't seen any pictures to see what you've been able to stuff in Starfall yet. I assume you knew we were coming
Scooter: yeah. there's not too much in there. was just curious if you guys would be taking with 2 movers or waiting for cannons, which you probably haven't decided until you take stock of what's in there
YossarianLives: Yeah, we've got our contingency plans
Scooter: heh, of course
Sent at 4:21 PM on Friday
YossarianLives: Alright, well it's just about quitting time. I better start finishing up so I can head home
Scooter: alright, enjoy the weekend1
YossarianLives: You too. Go Blue!
Scooter: yep!
Another thing is to watch out for one thing they are really proud of and I can bet 1 to 5 beers they will try this game too - The Pink Dot city style. They used that with great success in the last ISDG and they even believed the term is "RB made" (which is of course not true - it have CFC origin ). What this Pink Dot means is city placed in provocative manner to grab/deny good land to the opponent. I would be happy to miss this part, but we must have this in mind too.
I tend to agree with that. Dont underestimate RB's pride and self-esteem as the best possible civ players in the world. The old heavies there will act as the world champions (why there was no CFC team in the last ISDG btw?) and look at us as petty pretenders, while the inexperienced will howl for blood thirsty to see the RB superiority in action. I can tell you, there the mass of the guys were swearing they will kill all other 8 teams with 1 hand tied behind their back. Others were suggesting to not make any diplomacy at all or dont build workers or something else stupid as that to "give anyone else the slightest chance.
"Mansa's muse" ? Why is that?
P.P.S. I would have expelled scooter as diplomat with our team, as he is already persona non grata in my eyes. Forgetting... What a lame excuse. As if I am listening a 6-th grade schoolboy. But we keep silent, pretend to be cool and wait for our time. And mind you guys, our time is long long long long long long from this current time. Good things come to those who can wait.
I believe all of RB (or at least a majority) is behind this lie, and that he's actually being applauded by them for seemingly having tricked us into believing their lie. Given RB's arrogance, I think this is just up their alley. So I think expulsion is the very last thing they will do to him for this. Promotion sounds more like it, looking at it from RB's point of view.
Chat with Caledorn said:Caledorn
The game would have been completely different if we had managed to pull off trust with one another. RB and CFC would still have been main allies, and most of the other teams would have been minor nuisances by now, ready for our armies
Lol indeed
In a diplo game being score leader is the biggest handicap there is
It's like painting a huge red bullseye on yourself
scooter
I would have been all in favor of a long NAP and divide up the world type agreement and then a late game showdown
but all the paranoia on both teams meant that was never going to happen
Caledorn
Me too. It was what I really hoped for and tried to achieve
Exactly
scooter
even if we had both tried, it would have gotten shot up by our respective teammates
so meh
Caledorn
Indeed
scooter
now neither teams are going to win when I think we had the two most deserving teams
Caledorn
Definitely agree
scooter
well, "deserving" just in terms of playing a smart game and the time put into it
deserving is a sticky word hah, but in that sense
Caledorn
It would also have been a far better endgame with honourable combat and no accusations of cheating etc
scooter
yep
Exactly. We were planning this too, and were outplayed, so nothing here to complain about. Only issue I have is how they "forgot" to send the message. Come on, we are reading one and the same school-books, we know those tricks
Scooter legitimately forgot to send us this message*. This was RB's one mistake, and we really should capitalize from this.
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In another game he is playing he was largely absent for some crucial war turns that will literally determine whether his team gets eliminated in the next 15 turns or has a chance to turn the game around. He is legitimately super-busy right now, and probably not paying much attention to this game the last few days.
It's a little too late for this, but never mind --
There's a theory that when dealing with an opponent (not an ally) you can be better off pretending to be less rational than you are.
So long as RB think we play perfectly rationally, they can take as many liberties as they like, knowing it's not actually in our interests to declare war. However, if they think we are easily offended, and with one more slight might decide "to hell with winning, we're just going to take those ----s at RB down with us", the story changes.
But the time may be past for that.
After them saying "we WON'T STOP YOU from settling 1E either" my blood just boiled up and I started to tremble with anger. I managed to restrain myself from unleashing hell on him and asking him if they are going to STOP us from settling B3 or even 1E from B3 to steal one of their flood plains cottages, because all those sites are well on our side of the midway or at least on the midway.
Whoever he was, I give him points for being true diplomat though. Threatening without actually saying harsh words.
Good job sending the message Caledorn and also dealing with Scooter (that lying cheating piece of trash)...
I just talked quickly to scooter, as I felt a clarification question was in order. Here's the transcript. This may help us make a decision.
me: In regards to the second stone, you said estimately 10 turns. If we assist with our workers, how soon until the culture pops?
realmsbeyondscooter: hm. I would have to check on that. I'm guessing roughly 7T? I don't known off teh top of my head
i can check
me: If you have the time that would be excellent
realmsbeyondscooter: yeah. I'll ask the team. I'm about to head out the door for a few hours, but I'll try to get you an answer by... late tonight or early tomorrow
anything else I should check on?
me: That sounds great
realmsbeyondscooter: ok!
me: And no, that's it for now then Have a great day then and catch you later
realmsbeyondscooter: great, thanks!
That's actually a very disturbing chat - it seems as though he's intentionally stalling on us. I highly doubt that information availability in RB has gotten to the point where a senior diplomat is unable to check on when their new border city will have a border pop. The answer to your question should have been a "I'll check our MM threads and give you an answer in a minute", not "I'll ask my team". It sounds like he's asking his team something else, along the lines of how long they need us to not have stone or something like that.
Scooter needing to check with the team when borders will pop is bull$hit. Starfall was settled on T98 with a free Obelisk. Barring Anarchy, the borders will pop no later than T108, which is 5 turns from now (T103 just started an hour ago).
@ Classy - From what I have seen/heard, I don't think RB respects or enjoys roleplay. In fact I think they ridicule it somewhat
BTW, who was your team leader and who was in the high command?
It was a pretty wide variety. For the majority of the game, Sullla played and reported turns - although for the first large chunk of the game that just meant following the microplan. I guess you would call him team leader for most of it, but he steered well clear of the diplo stuff with one or two, um... unfortunate exceptions . Kjn did C&D, I did diplo. Our first 100+ turns early microplan was primarily novice, SevenSpirits, and NobleHelium (among others). They were seriously doing full sims for every single city and worker in a full sandbox up until we had 14 or so cities .
2metraninja said:I tend to agree with that. Dont underestimate RB's pride and self-esteem as the best possible civ players in the world. The old heavies there will act as the world champions (why there was no CFC team in the last ISDG btw?) and look at us as petty pretenders, while the inexperienced will howl for blood thirsty to see the RB superiority in action. I can tell you, there the mass of the guys were swearing they will kill all other 8 teams with 1 hand tied behind their back. Others were suggesting to not make any diplomacy at all or dont build workers or something else stupid as that to "give anyone else the slightest chance.