What if the BB did not go from "nothing to everything" but from a "uniform everything to diversity"?
From the the perspective of what we know about hunter-gatherer cultures, being led by leaders knowledgeable of the land always searching for greener pastures. A world where one trip might result in "hell", the other abundance and total ecological imbalance associated with the expansion of a new species with a completely new method of exploiting the environment, might not the myth of heaven or paradise arise from the natural goals of migratory people?I'm interested in how cultures describe and define Heaven, and since this belief is very old it might have its roots predating our expansion within and eventually out of Africa. Or maybe a Tower of Babel event did happen and the belief spread with a much more recent dispersal of people building the Tower.
No, "Heaven" is a very old story. This thread will examine that story in light of what we know about the cosmos. I'll post images of Heaven from around the world and sacred texts describing what Heaven is and how it was created.
The kind of diversity we have now required a generation of supergiant stars to undergo supernova explosions to create everything on the periodic table of elements more complicated than helium.What if the BB did not go from "nothing to everything" but from a "uniform everything to diversity"?
The kind of diversity we have now required a generation of supergiant stars to undergo supernova explosions to create everything on the periodic table of elements more complicated than helium.
So what are the choices for the pre BB state of things?And those stars required density fluctuations in the molecular hydrogen that existed prior to them. And that in turn indicates that there were variations in density even before atoms formed. If there ever was uniformity in the universe, it was extremely early but it's certainly possibly that it has been non-uniform since the big bang. (and applying the concept of uniformity to the instant of the big bang itself doesn't really make sense as I understand because singularities are weird - there's no space or time to be uniform across).
When Pluto is close to the Sun Saturn's rings point at it.
You'd think these advanced space aliens would have given us ridulian crystals to preserve our every creative whim. How thoughtless of them.
I see a glowing orb outside my window most nights. However, I have never mistaken it for any human like creature.
Where you insist that herd animals represent gods instead of herd animals.
My mistake. I intended to mention Velikovsky - every bit a peddler of pseudoscience.
Why wasn't any of this in my university-level astronomy texts?
The solar system is traveling around the Milky Way Galaxy, with many others. We're not all going to be tilted the same way.
Humans evolved on Earth, just like every other mammal. Space aliens were not required.
watThey were required according to our ancestors. Aren't you the least bit curious how evolutionary changes that happened ~200,000 years ago became a curse for women giving birth? Larger heads thru smaller birth canals, a product of the transformation of Adam and Eve into anatomically modern humans with the knowledge of good and evil.
Thats too bad, it should be read by anyone entering the field of solar system formation.
Holy crap... tracing the threads back to the one in 2016, and it went 89 PAGES?I'll just leave this here:
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/the-winds-of-god.634086/page-3#post-15170877
I was making a Dune reference (specifically God Emperor of Dune). Ridulian crystals are a way to transfer thought directly from the mind to a kind of permanent storage device. No physical act of writing is necessary, nor is speech. Just think and your thoughts will be recorded.If we ever get to another planet and 'employ' the natives for labor we wont be sharing hi-tech with them, our own history of colonialism shows what is probably a near universal trait of 'advanced civilizations' - dont teach your subjects how to kill you.
You are trying to 'splain this to an anthropology major. I've studied plenty of ancient civilizations where people associated the stars, planets, and moons with gods and people and some civilizations gave the gods they created very human-like personalities, goals, and motives (which is why so many of us can relate to the Greek myths; the Greek gods are just like us, with magical powers).And yet thats how our ancestors often depicted celestial phenomenon. But according to these ancient peoples they interacted with human-like creatures who came from the sky. Thats how the practice of associating these beings with celestial bodies came about.
And sometimes sheep are just friggin' sheep. I'm reminded of a group poetry interpretation exercise I had to do in Grade 12. Our teacher was fond of including religious passages from her favorite version of the bible in our classes (not ethical in a public school, but this was pre-Charter days, when she could have failed us for not interpreting things using a religious slant and we wouldn't have been able to call her on religious discrimination)... so my fellow group members immediately decided that of course we were supposed to interpret the horses in the poem as symbolic of some event that had happened in the New Testament.They represent planets, sheep are 'wanderers' and in some myths the creator acts as a herdsman. In other myths the creator approaches chaos and establishes order.
Velikovsky is a good source of kindling if you need to start a campfire or contribute old paper for recycling. I read that stuff back in junior high school, and after realizing how ridiculous it is, all such peudoscience crap in the house went into the recycling bin.Velikovsky is a good source for comparative mythology, but his position was Venus entered the solar system recently as a comet-like body and acquired its current orbit. He's misreading the science and the mythology, the Enuma Elish describes the inner solar system predating Heaven and Earth and Venus was present.
One of his scientific sources was a researcher Heiser (Sitchiniswrong) cited - I believe Van Flandern noticed how the planets fit a pattern following a mathematical formula. But he was using the Earth here, the planets form an even more obvious pattern if the Earth is moved to the asteroid belt. Roughly a 2:1 ratio, Venus is 2x Mercury's distance, Mars is 2x Venus and so on.
Only when we get out to Neptune do we find a significant departure from the pattern. Once we get far enough from the Sun building materials diminish enough to end the Apsu's (solar nebula) ability to produce more planets. Seems logical... And there is a logic to the Norse myth of Ymir - he formed where blowing heat met ice. Thats our asteroid belt and researchers have not only found our water came from there, the belt straddles the solar system's frost line - where blowing heat met ice. The inner belt is 'dry' and the outer 'wet'.
Maybe your studies didn't involve ancient cosmologies or the Enuma Elish. Thats too bad, it should be read by anyone entering the field of solar system formation. It argues the planets 'generally' form faster closer to the Sun with one exception, the solar system's 'frostline' can produce a planet even faster. This raises an interesting question, how did Jupiter form before planets closer to the Sun when its twice Ymir's distance.
You know, this is the sort of question that keeps me from having a good night's/morning's sleep (morning, actually, since I'm a night owl). I should discuss it with my doctor next time we talk.I'm talking about the invariable planes aligning (or not) with solar equatorial planes. Ours is 3+ degrees with many bodies even further off the Sun's equator. Earth is actually 2nd to Pluto with over 7 degrees. What could have dragged/pushed the Earth away from both planes?
There's not one shred of proof that space aliens were ever here, let alone having any influence whatsoever over human evolution.They were required according to our ancestors. Aren't you the least bit curious how evolutionary changes that happened ~200,000 years ago became a curse for women giving birth? Larger heads thru smaller birth canals, a product of the transformation of Adam and Eve into anatomically modern humans with the knowledge of good and evil.
Before my eyes roll out of their head, I'd just like to highlight something. In a discussion, "I can't say if it's true but I'd bet money on it being true" is the same as saying "I believe it is true".
You have posted throughout this thread, flat-out ignoring contrary evidence and logic, to the extent that it's clear you're pushing this stuff as fact. You see it as true. You are posting as though it were true. This is conspiracy theory territory. The hallmarks of it are the same. The behaviour is the same.
Now don't get me wrong, everybody needs a hobby. I used to be heavily into the idea of aliens myself (though I quickly discarded the whole "ancient aliens" bit). I still consider it a statistical inevitability that they exist in the universe. But I'm not going around diminishing the value of past civilisations and their achievements "because aliens did it".
As for identifying conspiracies, like I said, that's a derail. I was noting the similarities between uptake of conspiracy theories and your adherence to fake / pseudoscience with this whole ancient aliens thing. I didn't say what you are posting is a conspiracy theory. If you can't even read what I'm typing correctly, why do I need to bother answering these tedious assertions? You're barely responding to anyone else coherently.
The assumption is the way the event unfolded. The evidence is that all things are moving away from each other. Reverse direction and they all end up in the same spot. Simple enough.
What if the BB did not go from "nothing to everything" but from a "uniform everything to diversity"?
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this has actually been explained by evolutionary theory, even i know that
i'm baffled by the books you choose to read and believe.
Oh, please. You've been claiming this nonsense as factual for YEARS.piles of disingenuous stuff
What do you mean?Where is that spot?
what has been explained?